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not sure what you're talking about here but it doesn't seem like it makes sense.

That's not what patriotism is it's loving your country.

 

I accept your surrender

 

Whatever you have to do.

 

A country is just a place, geography. America's founders loved more than a place.
IMO, America is essentially a creed expressed concisely by the DOI.

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." Benjamin Franklin

 

No a country is not just a place it is also a people.

 

The American Founders were British subjects when the drafted the DOI, so their patriotism to "country", "nation", "people" ... was clearly provisional.

I think Chesterton got it about right:

“America is the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just. It certainly does condemn anarchism, and it does also by inference condemn atheism, since it clearly names the Creator as the ultimate authority from whom these equal rights are derived. Nobody expects a modern political system to proceed logically in the application of such dogmas, and in the matter of God and Government it is naturally God whose claim is taken more lightly. The point is that there is a creed, if not about divine, at least about human things.”
― G.K. Chesterton, What I Saw in America, Printed in Great Britain by T. and A. Constable Ltd.
at the Edinburgh University Press, Release Date: November 13, 2008 [EBook #27250].
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/27250/pg27250-images.html

 

This undermines your claim that a country is only land, it also undermines your claim that patriotism is anti-American.

 

This was my position:

"Whatever it is called, the "my country right or wrong" thing is an anti-American concept." Ddy

 

Your position is that a meaningless sentence fragment you made up is anti-American?

Pointless position noted I guess.

 

You may want to edit that.

 

it seems one missing conjunction wouldn't have made it something you couldn't understand but still pointless position noted.

I did edit it by the way not that you care.

 

This from the guy that dinged me with this: "Your position is a meaningless sentence fragment..." ?

My position is that of Franklin: "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." Chesterton seems to agree. Of course, there are those who feel that patriotism is attached to land -- to "country" -- "the land I love".

This sort of sentiment:

"This land is your land, this land is my land
From California to the New York island
From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me"

I am not one of those people. The dirt is not worthy of human love. America, from the colonial period to the creation of the USA has, IMO, been exceptional -- its dirt is not exceptional.

 

I like this post, patriotism is something this site lacks, and in those rare moment something like this posted, causes the heart to swells .. I really miss that about my generation and while growing up. Never took shame or issue with the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in home room while none of my friend's or other students gave any negative thought to it as we all went on our merry little lives

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure preaching gender change, Police, party and governments sux while taking a dump with other Boys and Girls in gender neutral lavatories does have its alure but I think as fun as all that is, we old bastards were far less confused than the folk we endure today

 

I think the serious confusion began with the failure of Reconstruction and became far worse after the election of Woodrow Wilson.

IMO, this would have been a better way for American children to start the school day than the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag:

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." COMMON SENSE, Thomas Paine.
https://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/commonsense/sense2.htm

That would have stirred a few idle brain cells with the spirit of 76.

 

Spot on Sir..

 

A country is more than land. It is not the dirt that people love.

All your expressing is you don't understand the most basic concept of a Nation.

More than anything a nation is its people and what binds them together.

I must correct myself your position isn't a sentence fragment it's a thought fragment.

 

Thank you for correcting yourself.

IMO, you are arguing with yourself for the most part.

What bound the USA and its people together was a creed set down in the DOI.
IOW, the USA was unlike any other "nation" - especially the European nation states that Americans despised before the "progressive era".

I think the Founders would agree with Bill Hicks' take on America today.

“Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****ing skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!" Bill Hicks

 

I don't understand you wanting to argue a very simple metaphor "Dirt"? You both are expressing the same ideology/concept while you argue about dirt IE land..

I guess Continue whatever point you are stressing to make

 

No I disagree with your assessment of what patriotism is.

 

It's his assessment of what a nation is and what nationalism is.

 

Do you disagree with the statements from Franklin and Chesterton that I pasted up?

 

IMO, that does not not make you a bad person.

 

Didn't read unimportant.

 

So?

 

Reading Matters.

“America is the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just. It certainly does condemn anarchism, and it does also by inference condemn atheism, since it clearly names the Creator as the ultimate authority from whom these equal rights are derived. Nobody expects a modern political system to proceed logically in the application of such dogmas, and in the matter of God and Government it is naturally God whose claim is taken more lightly. The point is that there is a creed, if not about divine, at least about human things.”
G.K. Chesterton, What I Saw in America, Printed in Great Britain by T. and A. Constable Ltd. at the Edinburgh University Press, Release Date: November 13, 2008 [EBook #27250].
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/27250/pg27250-images.html