Who Are You Voting For and Why?

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  1. NoPartyAffiliation

    NoPartyAffiliation New Member

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    No Dan, under BUSH the USA was both hated and laughed at (for godd reason). Remember when Americans going to Europe etc... used to wear clothes with Candian symbols on it?
    Now, we are nowhere near the standing we had under Clinton or the presidents before him but we are certainly viewed and treated better when we travel abroad. While I've met a lot of people in Europe who don't like Obama, I've met many who do. Under Bush, it was a no brainer. He was hated and laughed at. A fool with power. I'll never forget being in Germany. They had just elected the first female chancellor in their history. And friggin' idiot Bush comes up behind her and starts giving her a shoulder massage like she's his secretary or something. Front Page of every newspaper in Europe. So embarrassing.
    Then there was the embarrassment of Iraq. You don't go to NATO and ask permission to invade, if you're going to spit in the collective world's face and invade anyway after they say no. Stupid. Obama has done much better in that regard, as well.
    I could on but the point is this: Obama isn't great. But I travel a lot and it's great that since he took office, people don't just plain HATE Americans the way they did under Bush. We still have a long way to go but I think that regardless of whether Obama or Romney wins, we'll continue on the trend toward gaining the respect we once had.
    Oh, and since he's taken out more AQ and Taliban in 3 years than Bush did in six, including OBL (which everyone, everywhere in the wrold, except the extreme whackjobs in the USA give him credit for), he's hardly ignored.
     
  2. Dan40

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    Only total complete WHACKJOBS, think that Bush is running for office. If you read very, very carefully and get the entire Democratic National committee to look up each word for you,,,,,,,,and them,,,,,,you might note that the issue is obama's foreign policy experience vs Romney's foreign policy experience. In addition to the Games. Romney has conducted business internationally. His foreign policy experience is far superior to any experience obama ever had or will ever have.
    And the DNC opinion that b.o has had a successful foreign policy is, of course, wrong. As is all of what they tell you. Hillary has been much more successful than b.o.
     
  3. expatriate

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    That's exactly right NPA... in 2007, my wife and I went to Rome for a week, and we both wore pins that said, "Non ho votato per Bush". We were literally applauded in nearly every restaurant and bar we went into and people were constantly giving us the thumbs up on the street. Now... where we live in Mexico, everyone is very happy with our president and they all seem to like him much more than his predecessor. The world saw Dubya as a total buffoon. Not so for Obama. It seems like the people who really don't like Obama are the buffoons back home in the states.
     
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    and for those who don't understand how an administration and a cabinet actually works, when the secretary of state does something, they do so at the behest of the president. the successes of the secretary of state ARE the successes of the president.
     
  5. Dan40

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    Hillary and every other Cabinet officer, the Czars, and most bureaucrats are free to do as they wish. b.o. gives little direction and certainly does not lead by example.

    b.o. says, "This is what I want." Then he tears up that note and throws it away. NEVER ever checking on progress, good or bad. All b.o does is delegate and he does it ineptly.

    That is how we end up with the insane law that is obamaTAX. And what is Dodd-Frank.
     
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    more purely partisan hate speech passed off as fact.

    booooooring. :yawn:
     
  7. Dan40

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    Judgement of an inept employee by a highly experience executive, whose judgement has been proven by success.. I don't hate b.o., I want him fired so my nation can BEGIN recovering. b.o. lacks the capability to help our economic problems. His record is all the evidence the intelligent need. His entire reelection campaign consists of lying to the stupid. WHY is that?
     
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    are YOU this highly experience[sic] executive? :lol: Your opinions are just that. YOUR.... OPINIONS. Not universally accepted facts. We get it that you don't like Obama and that you don't want him to be reelected. Really. Got it. This thread was about who you were voting for and why. I answered it honestly and intelligently. You answered it. We're done here. You are an unnecessarily insulting boring man who thinks way too highly of himself.
     
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    Barack and Roll!

    We need a president who knows how to use mlitary force when it is needed. What he does works.

    Mittens hasn't got a bloody clue. The idiot thinks that the abuse of prisoners at Gitmo worked. He needs to go sit in the corner until hew grows up.

    We do not need a financial wizard or a successful businbess man. That is the lot who got us into this trick in the first place.

    We do need someone who knows what the concerns of working people are. That aint Mittens. Obama, as a community organizer was there to help people find solutions to the problems that most concerned them.

    Contrast that to the vulture capitalist who thinks that the solution to the housing crisis is to let foreclosures go through at as rapid a pace as possibvle so thatthe investor class can buy up the property that working people lost when the ecconomy tanked, and then rent it back to them so that the value of the remaining homes will go back up.

    We need a president who at least gives a rat's ass whether people lose all that they ever had, including their dignity and hope..
    That aint Mittens.
     
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    I'm voting for Gary Johnson because he is for the 100% equally. He can't be bought. He favors all of us getting all of our Constitutional rights back. He's honest, kind, & smart.
    Policy positions on rights of individuals: pro everything as long as we aren't hurting or threatening anyone or their property, but feels most things should be decided by states.

    Fiscal policies: abolish IRS & Dept of Educ. Replace income taxes with 23% sales tax that would likely have exemptions for business to business, used items, most food, very low income people. 100% tax on cannabis (estimated $19/oz) will bring in double digit billions & hold down medical costs (sometimes better than pills &/or surgery for 126 conditions) End drug war, saving at least $40B annually. Slash spending 43% for all depts/programs. No more adding to deficit or printing more money. Diplomacy over war whenever possible (Peace is cheaper. Elect peace).

    He was very popular 2 term Governor of NM. "Governor Veto" saved NM taxpayers a fortune. He started a construction company with himself as only employee, built it to over 1,000 employees when sold 23 years later (created many jobs). He will take his business motto to Oval Office: the best service for the lowest price. Lots of whole bill & line-item vetoes. He is a triathlon participant: swim 2.4mi, run 26.2 mi, bicycle 112 mi. Also climbed highest peak on 4 continents. He's a frugal millionaire who built his own house. Soft-spoken matter of fact guy, will speak to anyone. On ballot in 50 states. For more info, please visit garyjohnson2012.com
     
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    We need someone that openly supports the invasion of the United States by Mexico. We need Obongo!
     
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    I don't know who Obongo is, but if he supports a Mexican invasion of the USA I'm sure no one would vote for him.
     
  13. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    Still wondering what choice to make...

    1) Obama Lite Android also dubbed the "Mitt the Flip" or "The Pandering King" who picks a different side of an argument like a teenage girl changes clothing.
    2) "Humanitarian Warmonger" Barack Obama with his other core beliefs being that of screwing the American People by Aiding Corporations (Market Manipulation & LOLTax)
    3) Third Party.
    4) Write in a name.
    5) Do something better with my thirty minutes of time.
     
  14. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ... Well at least you have some solid facts to back up your point. It's been over a year since I read it, but I would strongly recommend reading the latter chapters of "No Apology." He does make an in depth analysis of China's current military affairs, and is able to draw from their military developments what their future aspirations are.

    On the other hand, we have a sitting President who has made unconstitutional use of American military power to help oust a Libyan dictator to be replaced by Islamic radicals (one step backwards), and has leaked military secrets, diplomatic secrets - but when it comes to Fast and Furious, of course, he uses executive privilege.
     
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let's review

    "The largest increase in US debt in the shortest time in history. More than $5 TRILLION in 3.5 years." FACT not opinion.

    "The longest period of time 40 months with unemployment over 8% in history. INCLUDING THE "GREAT DEPRESSION."" FACT not opinion.

    "The only president to EVER have a TRILLION dollar deficit. NO OTHER PRESIDENT ever had a defciit half that high. And obama will have had 4 TRILLION PLUS deficits by election day." FACT not opinion.

    How about GDP this year under 2%? FACT not opinion.
    How about the real unemployment number over 14% three years AFTER the recession ended. FACT not opinion.

    So why exactly are you voting for this man again?
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    He DID NOT inherit it he was part and parcel to the Democrat Congressional Majority and it's policies that failed to act and when it did act did exactly the wrong things.
    He didn't want and he didn't need it.

    What was Obama doing in 2007, 2008 and 2009?

    Yes to bad he succeeded in getting his stimulus which failed and his Obamacare which is going to cripple business and the economy and spiral our debt even more. Of course we have seen historically how Democrats worked so hard to get Republican Presidents reelected.

    By passing legislation that would get us out of this mess and sending it to the do nothing Democrat Senate.
     
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    The extended lousy economy we have now most certainly is, their policies have totally failed to get us into a recovery and have put record numbers on government dependance.
     
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    BRAVO, I couldn't agree more. I never voted for Bush43 and voted for Libertarians. Bush was going to win my state anyway and I wanted to help the Libertarians with future ballot access, get so many votes and next time you don't have to submit signatures to gain access. Maybe one day they will become a party in contention who knows. But this time those sentiments are out the window. We simply cannot allow another four years of the mismanagement, incompetence and gross disregard for the Constitution and the law this administration shows everyday.
     
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    asked and answered. But to put it another way, I am voting for Obama - beyond the SCOTUS appointment reason, which will always be a good enough reason for me to vote for the democratic nominee - because I think that what has happened to the economy would have been MUCH worse had we had McCain and Palin at the helm, and I think that Romney is a complete whore who will say anything to any group of people to get their votes.
     
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    LOL!!!! Now Dan has "secret inside knowledge" of the worlings of the White House and "knows" whether or not those who Serve at the pleasure of the President, just "do as they wish"!!!

    Where does he get this secret inside knowledge? From his best friend, Harry Potter! :laughing:
     
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    I see. Okay and what magic wand would the GOP have waved to magically fix things back in 2009? Can't wait to hear it!
     
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    If you look at garyjohnson2012.com/ you may be surprised. Totally honest, can't be bought.
     
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    Gary Johnson wants to end IRS & Dept of Educ. have balanced budget 1st year. 43% cut in all programs/depts. No more increasing the deficit, no more borrowing or spending what we don't have.

    Obama wants thousands more IRS agents. Both Obama & Romney want more wars. Trillions wasted, perhaps a million dead, corporations make billions. Gary Johnson says diplomacy is a win-win situation & Peace is cheaper. Elect peace.

    Both Obama & Romney want to continue the phony war on some drugs, which allows for putting harmless people in prison for up to a lifetime, violates the Constitution, costs taxpayers $40B+ per year. Obama and Romney want to do away with state medical cannabis programs. Us attys grabbed sick people & said they were facing 5 years in prison if their illness didn't kill them sooner. Re-legalize cannabis ("marijuana") is #1 request to whitehouse.gov but Obama & Romney won't discuss it. Cannabis oil can cure cancer & was in pharmacies until 1937, when cancer was rare. Now 60% of Americans die from cancer.

    Gary Johnson would tax cannabis ("marijuana") 100% (estimated $19/oz), raising double digit billions (currently, 50 million admit they are cannabis users). Plus save $40+ billion a year by ending the drug way. Also, cannabis would greatly reduce health care costs as it sometimes works better than pills for 126 medical conditions & may make many operations unneeded.
    Gary Johnson used it 3 years when he fell 50 feet, breaking bones: back, rib, knee.

    Gary Johnson can't be bought & is for the 100% equally. He wants to end unlimited warrantless spying on us (Patriot Act) & is opposed to the NDAA allowing up to life in prison without ever being charges with anything.
     
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    Romney won't say he wants to legalize cannabis (nor will Obama, despite it being #1 request to whitehouse.gov)
     
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    Lying to the stupid might win a campaign. Most are too busy with job(s), spouse, kids, & relaxing hobbies to want to take the time to study politicians. Many people don't even know Gary Johnson is running & on the ballot in 50 states, let alone what he stands for.
     

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