Who do you consider white? Is white a valid race?

Already have and you know it. Whats next, the cohens of iraq just decided to choose that name because it sounded cool? On the other hand, I have asked you countless times for the names of the non-existent 'arab tribes' that georgian, iraqi, and uzbek jews descend from.

Countless european jews from iberia also descend from bavlim (who trace their lineage back to Israel) who moved to spain during the middle ages. Do sefaradim not descend from sefaradim now? lol You are in way over your head on this one.

 

just because you have the name "cohen" doesn't mean you are a direct descendant of Aaron.

and now you're being dishonest, as I never said that Georgian and Uzbek Jews are Arab Jews.

But Jews from the Arab world who's ancestors spoke Arabic, are Arabic Jews.

Just as I am a Ukrainian Jew.

 

A Kohen today has the status of Kohen Muhzak, assumed Kohanic status Halachically, the status of Kohan Miyuchas, of veritable lineage, requires witnesses or equivalent, that his father's father's father, etc. served as a Kohen in the Temple in Jerusalem.

There are, however, families of Kohanim among the Jewish people which have particularly strong traditions of their families' roots and branches.

Among the Sephardim there are Kohanim families with traditions reaching back to Temple times. A community of Kohanim existed on the island of Jerba, off the Mediterranean Coast of Tunisia, for more than 1,000 years. Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian Jewry trace their origins to ancient exile communities of Persia, Babylonia and Aram.

Well known Ashkenazi Kohanim families include the Cohens, the Katz's, the Kohanas and the Shapiros, Perhaps the best documented of these selected families are the Rapaports.

The earliest known Rapaport is Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen of Porto, who is known by the Rapaport name from 1462. It is likely that his immediate predecessors fled Ashkenaz, Germany around this time which was the year of the expulsion of Jews from Mainz. The region of Southern Germany left was known as Rapa. They came to Porto, a river city in the Padua region of Northern Italy. Thus the name Rapaport tells of the families' geographical origins.

Many great rabbinical leaders and scholars, intellectuals and statesmen are found in the families' lineage. Among them are Rabbi Meshulam Yekutiel HaKohen of Rafa, the publisher in 1472 of the first Hebrew book ever printed. Rabbi HaKohen Rapaport was the light of the exile, serving as Av Beit Din, head of the Rabbinical court in the descendants of "The Shach". Rabbi Shabtai HaKohen wrote Sifte Kohen (1622-1663) a major commentary on the Shulchan Aruch, also formed a branch of the family.

http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/families_and_family_trees.htm

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Georgian and Uzbek Jews (Bukharim) are descended from iraqi jews (bavlim). Now, what arab tribes do we descend from?

There are ashkenazi jews and sefaradic jews who lived in arabic speaking lands for centuries and spoke arabic, are they 'arab jews' lol

Arabs don't even know hebrew or aramaic. My ancestors spoke aramaic and hebrew in addition to 'judeo arabic' which was written in hebrew/aramaic script. Kurds and Assyrians also spoke arabic. Are they arabs?

Mizrahim live in Israel now and speak Hebrew, usually with a different accent than that of past generations, so now they are 'hebrew jews' according to your logic.

And Ukrainian is a nationality. 'Arab' is not.

There are moroccan jews that only speak french.

 

you haven't presented any evidence, just speculation.

 

Wrong on all accounts. You keep repeating the same misinformation over and over again without a shred of evidence.

 

saying "I am a decendant of Aaron because my last name is Cohen", is pretty cheap as far as evidence goes.

 

And your claim that not a single jew can trace his ancestry past 400 years is nonsense. The Sefaradim have lived in Turkey since 1492. Well over 400 years.

 

No it isn't. On the island of djerba cohens trace their lineage directly back to the israelites. This has been the core argument. Jews are no more 'arab' than berbers or kurds.

You have made countless false claims without any evidence, all of which have been refuted over and over and over again.

 

The Jews of Djerba are welcome to prove their 2,000 year lineage. I hope they have a very long geneological record.

 

Sefaradic and Ashkenazi Jews from Turkey must be descended from ethnic Turks because they lived in Turkey!

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They do. I am still waiting for any evidence to support your claim that bavlim are descended from arab tribes. We don't even genetically cluster with arabs but with other israelites from around the world, especially those from Kurdistan, Iran, Georgia, Armenian, Dagestan, and Azerbaijan. And on paternal lines we cluster closest with all jews including sefaradi and ashkenazi.

 

i seriously doubt it.

nobody has their ancestral lineage going back 2,000 years written down.

its pretty stupid for anyone to claim such a thing.

 

Please provide evidence that mongolians descend from ancient mongolians, that chinese descend from chinese, that african americans descend from ancient black africans, that greeks descend from ancient greeks, that italians descend from italians. Interesting how only the jews are singled out despite the overwhelming genetic, linguistic, historical, and genealogical data.

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And still no evidence provided for the outlandish claim that babylonian jews are descended from any arab tribes. Now that is a stupid claim.

 

The very first post of this thread has proven wrong your claim that middle eastern jews don't have white skin, light eyes, or light hair.



According to your claims, the first man is not white but the second man is.





And you accuse me of stereotyping? That is probably one of the dumbest claims I have ever heard.

 

Chechen fighter/leader part of jihadist ISIS.



Caucasian (literally) I do not see how this man is not white. He is white by every definition of the word. Both by physical anthropology standards and by phenotype. Jews from all branches and religious backgrounds have these white phenotypes, but they also have darker phenotypes. This phenotype displayed above does not indicate european ancestry, but rather caucasian, directly north of mesopotamia. Again, its commonly found in ashkenazi jews, but also in sefaradi jews. 'Mizrahi' is a modern israeli invention, its not a race, but a demographic label of jewish immigrants who came from non-european countries, meaning they never set foot in europe. The idea that mizrahi jews are arabs that practice judaism is a lie, they are descended directly from the hebrews/israelites and not only come from arab countries, but also from central asia, parts of north africa, and the caucasus. The modern israeli designation 'mizrahi' simply derives from the 3adot haMizra7 "communities of the east" referring to their common oriental background and tradition which really centered in babylon and persia and then splintered off into caucasian countries and central asian countries. Some also went to north african berber countries, but never went to spain or portugal (europe). This is what differentiates them from sefaradi jews. Many sefaradi jews returned to the middle east and north africa after the spanish and portuguese expulsions and adopted a more oriental style of prayer and pronunciation of hebrew as opposed to the sefaradi jews who went to turkey, france, the netherlands, bosnia, england, the americas, etc. So many sefaradim became oriental in culture and tradition (which is what sefaradi and ashkenazi jews were in the beginning anyway). What makes ashkenazi jews so different is their culture which was influenced by italian, germanic, and later slavic and russian influences. None of these differences are racial however. They all come from the same place, israel, and before that, the fertile crescent, that is, modern day iraq.

 

Race isn't about skin color. It's about ancestry and genetic similarity. If you think race is about skin color, you are not talking about what other people are talking about, and are in fact ignoring what they are saying.

This chart shows Chechens are not 'White', if White means European genetic cluster, which it does. Dark skinned Italians and Spaniards are White.



I told you this already. So basically you are spamming the thread with a lie.

 

I'm not spamming the thread (its my thread ironically) as a matter of fact I have posted the results of the plot you just posted over and over again. It proves what I have been constantly saying that Iraqi Jews cluster closest with Caucasian Jews from Georgia, Dagestan and Azerbaijan, and Iranian Jews, and Bukharan Jews. We are not arabs. We don't cluster with the Saudis or Bedouins but rather with jewish populations from the fertile crescent and the caucasian countries which points to a common northern middle eastern origin, not an arab origin.

Moroccan Jews cluster closest with Ashkenazi and Sefaradi Jews, and as you said, these three populations are a hybrid group between europeans ( cypriots, greeks, italians) and middle easterners. Do you understand what I am saying? I have been posting exactly what you said that jews are a anatolid-semitic-med hybrid. Religious denomination however does not determine skin color, there are brown skinned ashkenazim and white skinned sefaradim, and vice- versa but both groups are virtually identical in most cases.

As for chechens, I was classifying them by physical anthropology, (caucasoid), they are caucasian (literally) and many have white skin.

I also tend to go by the US census which doesn't divide 'white' along the lines of european vs. middle eastern, but thats just my opinion.

But the only 'lie' or myth being posted is that iraqi jews descend from arab tribes and that they don't cluster with caucasian jews and iranians jews. Speaking an arabic dialect (one influenced by hebrew as a matter of fact) does not make one descended from arabs, if it did, iraqi kurds, assyrians, turkmen, etc. would be descended from arab tribes because they speak arabic (along with kurdish and aramaic and other langs.) Many Moroccan Jews are francophone, it doesn't make them racially french.

 

now you're just making strawman arguments.

 

Lets see it then?

*gets popcorn*

 

I already showed it and have provided countless genetic studies to back it up.

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You have no argument. You can't back up any of your outrageous claims that have been shown to be false time and time again. You haven't provided a shred of evidence and have failed to answer for any of the propaganda you have promoted on this thread.

 

And Jonah, you seriously are claiming the exilarch was not of israelite descent? lol

 

Well surely you wouldnt mind posting it again since you c&p's so much stuff idont have the time to sift through the irrelevant bits.

 

Um, I'm not the guy claiming that they are a direct descendant of the ancient Israelites and that I can trace my ancestry all the way back 3,000 years to ancient Israel.

you think having the last name "Cohen" or "Levy" is 100% evidence of Israelite ancestry.

Sir, you are very mistaken.

 

Am I?

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Considering many gentiles decided to give themselves hebrew names then names alone are no indicator. Look how many so-called african americans have Celtic surnames, are they now Celts?

 

I don't doubt at all that there are many people on Earth that are direct descendants of the ancient Israelites and Judeans.

But such a claim requires evidence, and a last name ain't enough.

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they have Celtic names cause that's the name the slave masters gave to their slaves.

your analogy is pretty lame.

 

You haven't provided any evidence of your outlandish claims that bavlim are descended from arab tribes, all you have been doing is repeating yourself over and over and over again. Which arab tribes? And why do we cluster with caucasian jews? I have asked these questions time and time again, and you haven't answered them.