Who gets the ventilator in the coronavirus pandemic?

No. I love eXmark, Walker, and Hydrogear, but they are not particularly agile for new ventures imo. Auto manufacturers have more capital, more credit, more status, and much more ability to buy brains. Just because they are huge assembly line oriented presently does not mean their engineering management and manufacturing engineers cannot be versatile.

 

And how long do you think it will take them to begin manufacture?

 

Then why haven’t they?

 

Obviously you think todays internal combustion engines full of computers and sensors are no different than the old Model T motors.

 

We are on a war footing and our industry will adapt just as it did in WW2 as auto manufacturers started making tanks and planes and we were building three liberty ships per day. Yes the same war in which we stopped Japan from invading Australia.

 

Two different technologies

But I will ask again

How quickly do you think they can start manufacturing these new ventilators?

 

How long?

You have, at most weeks to prepare

 

I responded to another poster that I think it’s a bad idea based on timetables.

My response to you has just been to point out ventilators are likely far less “complicated” than just the engine controls on a modern vehicle. Never mind traction control, automatic transmission control, etc.

I agree it’s a dumb idea at this point to expect auto manufacturers to save the day. But it has nothing to do with the technology or ventilators being too sophisticated.

If timetables was your point, you shouldn’t have brought up the problem being ventilators are “complicated”.

I simply get weary of people making silly statements not based on facts. It isn’t helpful, especially in relation to a health crisis.

 

it's what fear mongors do to push forward agendas

 

See the thing with ventilators and ARDS is that not all the lung is affected and because the ventilator acts in a physiologically opposite way to normal breathing it has an affect on the lungs themselves. In fact the best and most effective strategies are to support the patient to breathe for themselves but that in and of itself is not easy if you are to avoid dyssynchrony, flow starvation and breath stacking.

 

why should they?

they are all from the beloved eu nations and wealthy beyond wildest dreams.

send them an email and ask them yourself

edit: their season was cancelled, so they are sitting idle right now, so type away and ask them for help

 

Really? Sooooooo if you do not like the message the messenger is a”fear monger”

 

"We’ve got the capacity to make things from simple one-shot molds to complex assemblies. We make 500,000 of something every year, a thousand a day,” said Flavio Volpe, president of Canada’s Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association.

“The country needs masks, gowns, goggles, ventilators. Can we assign some of our capacity to be able to help the cause,” he said in an interview with CBC. “The response has been overwhelming from auto parts makers. We’re in, just get us the specs.”

 

Ah! Retreat to a logical fallacy
No problem

This is one of those “ time will tell” issues. I am patient and I am happy to wait and see

 

Masks and gowns are very different from ventilators

But we shall see

 

The genius of the creative mind, say, like Nightengale, Barton, Earhart, Rand, Ride, Ford, Edison, Jobs, Rutan, and many more. They create the impossible and then do the impossible.

 

3 months? And only postpone? Come on, show a little empathy for the free and overburden. They canceled everything else, they can cancel this vile vermin atrocity.

 

Did you miss this part?

"The country needs masks, gowns, goggles, ventilators."

You might be amazed at what can be accomplished by people with a can do attitude.

 

Hey Bowerbird, just because some of these guys don't appreciate that you are a professional ICU care worker who knows what you are talking about, don't be disheartened. Those of us who still value the knowledge of experts do appreciate the information you are sharing.
Thank you for your service...

 

I have no disagreement on the function or the complexity of ventilators. Only the claim auto manufacturers can’t make them because they are too complicated. Creating the narrative that ventilators are some magical machine bestowed on us only by benevolent gods from Mt. Olympus doesn’t do anything but stoke fear in the population already concerned about a shortage.

I’m interested in more details on the ventilator model you referenced that are out of service. Why can’t they upgrade the software if that is the problem? Is the manufacturer trying to put themselves out of business? I’ve seen poor manufacturer/dealer support on individual units in my business, but never across a whole product line like that. What’s your opinion on this? Seems like there would be extra incentive the last few weeks to remedy whatever the problem is.

 

Plus Curie, Pasteur, Salk, Fleming Lamarr, Josephine Baker...oh, I could go on, and on, and on, and never reach finality. That's how brilliantly bright the human mind is. Wherever there is darkness, it can shine its light of reason through the thickest clouds of confusion, illuminate the darkest regions of the unknown abyss, and radiate more vibrantly than sun rays. Doubt it. Allow me to introduce, Edward Jenner, the man who wiped out small pox.
"Edward Jenner was born on May 17, 1749, in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, the son of the Rev. Stephen Jenner, vicar of Berkeley. Edward was orphaned at age 5 and went to live with his older brother. During his early school years, Edward developed a strong interest in science and nature that continued throughout his life. At age 13 he was apprenticed to a country surgeon and apothecary in Sodbury, near Bristol (16). The record shows that it was there that Jenner heard a dairymaid say, “I shall never have smallpox for I have had cowpox. I shall never have an ugly pockmarked face.” It fact, it was a common belief that dairymaids were in some way protected from smallpox.'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

From such small things, the best in man takes and makes with it a better day for us all. And that is who we must rely on to save the day, not government bureaucrats, and autocratic despots, but the independent creative mind of the best of the capitalists. God Bless those who love making money, they shall save the earth.

 

only peeps with a ventilator manufacturing degree know how to make them

who taught the class?

who taught the instructor/professor?

must of been that guy on gilligan's island that invented it...

 

Catch 22. The people on gilligan’s island don’t need a ventilator because they self quarantined.

But yeh, if we were just duplicating existing machines any group of competent engineers should be able to handle it. Most of it boils down to tooling, sourcing components, and assembly. It could be easily made to run existing software and that would streamline things further.

 

They must have a contract in hand.

 

Here in the US they say all men are equal. Real life in the US shows that some are more equal than others, and usually the deciding factor is money.