who is more elitist, Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren?

So basically elitist equals modern US politician. Sobering thought.

 

Yeah Trump wins by a mile, he promotes a government that leaves people the hell alone, Warren promotes a government that is in the bedroom the board room the bathroom and almost any other room you care to name.

 

So what do you think has?

 

Freedom, and self restraint. The ability to limit the impact of one's darker desires upon one's self and upon others. The worst advice I ever got was the sixties mantra " If it feels good do it."

 

Elizabeth Herring?

So given the fact she is a self proclaimed Indian and is lying about her political beliefs, surely the name Red Herring is appropriate?

 

You have no idea who I am, so why the judgment? Based on what? That I don't like your hero Donald Trump?

Be civil, please. I've said nothing snarky to you. Yet.

 

Ooh, gee thanks, I guess you told me, eh?. You seem to know everything about Harvard and it's students and graduates. I take it you work there? In what capacity, if you don't mind my asking? </sarcasm>

And BTW, both Bushs went to Yale. And as for Harvard, Tom Cotton, Ben Sasse, Dan Sullivan, Elise Stefanik, Ted Cruz, Pat Toomey, David Vitter, and Mike Crapo all graduated from Harvard. With these, the Republican Harvard contingent outnumbers Harvard Democrats in the U.S. Senate. (It took me three minutes to google that. It helps if you do your homework before you debate.)

 

Where did you get the idea that either Bush was a conservative? And all of them graduated decades ago and I'm talking about the administrative state.not the senate. You know those people no one ever heard of but who, where the rubber meets the road, do most of the actual governance. By the way the few actual conservatives are those who continued to think and learn after they got their degree.

 

Same as you, so what?

 

I'm not the one calling him a failure. Not prone to delusions.

 

Certainly a failure as a president. I'm guessing you still believe Mexico is going to pay for the wall??

 

You insist on disrespecting the President, I will express my opinion.

 

So how does "freedom and self restraint" have anything to do with education or public policy? Or were you just pontificating? If you could kindly finish the circle of your thought that squares your comment on education it would certainly elucidate your point more clearly.

 

Same coin 2 sides

 

The Financial industry’s analysis on Warren’s proposals leaked. They concluded that it depended on your point of view whether they were good or bad.

The bottom line was corporate profits would shrink ergo stock prices would go down to the benefit of workers, woman, and minorities.

Since we’re talking about elitists they definitely would fall on the side that Warren’s proposals are a bad thing: less in their pocket more everyone else’s pocket.

It’s my hope Trump is the culmination of forty-odd years of really bad elitist economic policy. Note, that will only end if Moscow Mitch is in the minority.

Yes. This poll was a no-brainer the Financial Industry believes it to be too.

Edit to add Sanders is trying to differentiate himself from Warren and gasp, Warren is capitalist. That’s gonna hurt

 

He/she would have found that over time they can't keep up with the fast riders in the club anymore, so it's replacing spokes and truing wheels, doing the office work, plus push the broom and squeegee the windows. They can't afford enough employees for the chores. They're still around the sport, but their glory days are behind them and they now love credit cards as a means to eat by owning the business.

Occasionally a young person opens a bike store, has to wear a lot of hats to manage, and finds they don't have time to be a serious rider anymore now that they're a proprietor and the work never stops.

Never saw a manager of a bicycle store in these parts. Maybe they use them in the big cities. Probably at Armstrong's store in Austin.

 

That would be the point you know. Neither can create it but either can work to destroy it. Education is a force multiplier for character.

 

I wouldn’t use the word “elitist”. I would call them both Procrustean or intransigent

 

Stock prices would go down to the ruination of numerous 401k, the border line companies would collapse, taking thousands of jobs with them, The notion that this would benefit much of anyone other than the government is ludicrous.

 

Do it without the insults, please. If for no other reason than forum rules.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. And I'm also allowed to express mine, which I try to do without insulting other users.

 

We can be as tough as we like on politicians, public figures and ideas, but we need to respect other members of the forum. Always encourage more discussion on a forum that thrives on discussion. The opposition we encounter here is far better informed than the general public. New members who are not up to speed catch up quick.

Well informed opposition is an asset we all share and would really miss if it was gone.

 

Pretty sure that was just snark but I hear you and will do.

 

You're always going to have an elite as president. Question is, who's got your back?

Like Cokie Roberts always said, "Vote your pocketbook."

 

The Republicans do like to pretend that they are not an elitist party......

Look at their national candidates......

The Bushes are a wealthy oil family who have lobbied against any and all action by the US against the Saudis and others who they have oil deals with. They have even been accused of starting both Dessert Storm and Irai Freedom as part of backroom deals made with Saudi Arabia,because Iraq was their primary competition when it came to oil.

Mitt Romney was a wealthy venture capiralist who made his fortune buying smaller companies and selling them for scrap. He got a lot of backlash during his campaign in 2012 over his history of selling off employee pensions and letting the taxpayers cover it, which is legal for some odd reason.

Trump comes from a wealthy family, and has in the past tried to bribe government officials to use eminent domain to steal people's homes so he could build limo parking lots for his hotels. He is as elitist as they come.

 

While nicely worded, it certainly does not seem to shed light on whether you truly think that education in and of itself is a major contributor to solving societal ills.

Either it does, or it doesn't. Which is it?

You seem to be speaking out of both sides of your mouth.