Who is the man of lawlessness?

Not sleeping well and eating junk food is not a good combination long term.

What is your exercise routine?

 

And I am a man of my word, so when this happens and I'm right, your jaw might hit the floor.

No it was Obama and his minion that invested millions to make this possible. And it was the most crucial thing the democrats had to do prior to running their little impeachment scam.

Obviously. It's nothing new, we all know some of the most evil leaders in history were "antichrists" but none of them could be considered "THE" antichrist, except till now. As in hitler was "an" antichrist just not "the" antichrist. Get it?

 

I know but I am suffering a painful ailment making sleep only possible in fits. I ride my recumbent cycle a good bit, probably 5 miles today.

 

Futurism is relatively new..

Titus Flavius Vespasianus is the Man of Lawlessness

 

Sorry but this theory has major flaws. It's a prophetic word regarding future events, not an uncommon scenario in the bible, so futurism is not out of the norm in this regard. And it's certainly nothing new.

Namely, the events described in 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 are in reference to Jesus' second coming and this is made clear in verse one:

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

AND WILL exalt himself over everything that is called God. This is a future tense.

The third temple will be built within a few years, they are already laying the groundwork needed to start construction. So that passage definitely refers to a future event (that is actually close at hand).

So once again, Obama is at the top of the list as being the best candidate for the man of lawlessness.

Any other takers?

 

If you believe Revelation there is no temple.

But the Scofield heresy has made great inroads into Protestant churches since 1917.. That's where your futurism comes from with a big assist from charlatans like Hal Lindsey and Tim Lahaye.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: Summary and Highlights

Josephus says that Titus entered the Holy of Holies with his generals in A.D. 70. 1 Shortly thereafter, Titus was worshipped in the Temple in A.D. 70 as was customary of someone declared imperator in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “He sets Himself up in God’s Temple proclaiming Himself to be God.” Josephus writes, “And now the Romans . . . brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator.”2 A metallic image of Vespasian and Titus was also worshipped at that time. The image of Vespasian and Titus was found on the ensign called the numina legionum which was a large coin-shaped bust or image of the emperor and his favorites (i.e. Titus) held aloft on a pole.

 

NO my futurism comes from the fact that THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS USED IN THE FUTURE TENSE. It's nothing new, I don't know where you are getting your information from but the source is bad.

Do tell about my problem with the book of revelation.

 

Revelation is clear as to who its written to and when it will happen.

 

A favorite argument among preterists is that the book of Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, and hence the book must have been fulfilled in A.D. 70 when Rome overran Jerusalem. Futurists point out, however, that some of the earliest church Fathers confirmed a late date, including Irenaeus (who knew Polycarp, John’s disciple) who claimed the book was written at the close of the reign of Domitian (which took place from A.D. 81—96). Victorinus confirmed this date in the third century, as did Eusebius (263-340). Hence, since the book was written after A.D. 70, it could hardly have been referring to events that would be fulfilled in A.D. 70.

Against preterism, futurists note that key events described in the book of Revelation simply did not occur in A.D. 70. For example, in A.D. 70 “a third of mankind” was not killed, as predicted in Revelation 9:18. Nor has “every living creature in the sea died,” as predicted in Revelation 16:3. In order to explain these texts, preterists must resort to an allegorical interpretation since they did not happen literally.

Preterism clearly dishonors the scriptures. If we approach the crucifixion of Christ the same way preterists approach prophecy, then we would have to conclude that Christ's sacrifice was just an allegory. This would negate the whole purpose of the Bible. However nothing could be farther from the truth. The Lord Jesus Christ literally and physically died and rose again 3 days later for our sins (1 Cor. 15:3-4).

In the same way, only premillennial pretribulational dispensational futurism is the result of a consistent whole Bible interpretation. That method of interpretation is the inductive hermeneutic (a literal, grammatical, contextual, idiomatic, comparative and historical approach). Come, let us take God at his Word! Preterism has some major flaws:

• Preterism claims that God is finished with Israel even though 6 of the 7 (Mosaic) covenants with Israel were unconditional, Israel has not received all of her promised blessings (Deut. 28-32) and Rom. 9-11 directly opposes this.
• Preterism denies the fact that Christ will reign on the throne of David in Jerusalem for 1,000 years.
• The earth will be rejuvenated not eliminated.
• Preterism promotes antisemitic views that were foundational to the holocaust, crusades and Ku Klux Klan.
• Preterism negates that the restoration of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy and a sign of the end times (Deut. 4:25-31, Deut. 30:3-9, Ez. 36-37).
• Preterism is based on the unbiblical lie that the church (body of Christ) replaces Israel. Israel is only temporarily set aside until the Gentile dispensation is fulfilled (Rom. 11).
• Preterists do not recognize the unique ministry of Paul (Eph. 3) or that we are under the grace program (Pauline dispensationalism) not the Mosaic law (theonomy) with it's baptisms, holidays, and regulations (Rom. 3, Gal. 3, Col. 2).
• Preterists promote Christian reconstructionism and dominion theology: the high flesh appeal doctrine that the church reforms the world instead of the Biblical view that the world will degrade in the last days until Christ comes to judge and reform it.

Sources:
https://www.preteristarchive.com/CriticalArticles/1998_rudolph_problem.html
http://ronrhodes.org/articles/the-problem-with-preterism.html

 

Take your heresies elsewhere Iron Merc.

 

Preterism was the norm before the Scofield Bible.

 

Please dont post things you know absolutely nothing about.

 

This is untrue:

Preterists promote Christian reconstructionism and dominion theology:

This is also untrue:

Preterism promotes antisemitic views that were foundational to the holocaust, crusades and Ku Klux Klan.

 

Don't let the door hit you on the ass....

I uphold your right to your misinformed beliefs but I will stick with REALITY instead.

 

Sorry to hear that! I was misdiagnosed with sciatica for 5 years before I got fed up and demanded an MRI. Even I could see the problem on the MRI it was bad and it turned out that what I actually had was called AVN (Avascular Necrosis). Ended up with a hip replacement and I got my life back again.

 

Well, perhaps you don't have the "grab" on politics like I do, I wont hold that against you. Everyone learns at their own rate.

In case you've been living in a bubble or had your head in the sand, I'd say tensions within our government have now reached boiling point. I fear It will take only one remaining act to light the fuse.

Wake up, and perhaps you will see my predictions will be correct, because so far, my twilight zone theory is looking better and better every day.

 

Anyone incapable of refraining from PUERILE ad hom violations has ZERO CREDIBILITY.

Your BLOTUS is being held accountable for his CRIMES because he is NOT above the LAW of the LAND.

If his supporters choose to engage in illegal acts of violence and mayhem they too will be held accountable by the law.

There is ZERO religious justification for them to engage in these acts of violence and attempts such as these are risible.

That is REALITY!

 

Hey did you know, ad hom violation might just be your silver bullet? Considering you stopped me dead in my tracks, perhaps the same thing will work for Trump impeachment? Seeing as how they have ZERO evidence of a crime, this ad hom violation deal might be the democrats best move yet. You should email Adam Schiff with this potentially useful information.

ps. Ask him where Hillary's 33,000 emails went...

 

Abject denial of the crimes committed by the BLOTUS does not mean that they do not happen. There is plenty of documented EVIDENCE and WITNESSES to his CRIMES.

Those of us who live in REALITY can see and hear the evidence of your BLOTUS's GUILT.

 

BLOTUS, is that a reference to yourself or the left wing?

In any event I would like for this thread to stay clean and on point with the lawlessness debate. Let's please keep it that way.

 

Your BLOTUS is the one who is the "man of lawlessness" and Congress has the EVIDENCE to prove it.

No amount of biblical passages or theist beliefs are going to alter that reality.

 

probly AI

 

Well no, because the anti-christ is likely not from America, so it cannot be Trump.

Better luck next time.

p.s. Obama was born to a white Jewish mother and a black arab father.
This means he has a mixed bloodline / jewish and arab descent, Isaac vs Ishmael in a single bloodline, quite possibly what we would see from the true anti-christ.

So far I don't see you scoring that well if we are keeping track here.

 

Obama's mother wasn't Jewish.