Who should be restricted from owning a gun

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Who should be restricted from owning a gun?

  1. Everyone has a right to own a gun

    7 vote(s)
    29.2%
  2. Children should not own guns

    11 vote(s)
    45.8%
  3. People with a past history of violent crime e.g bank robbery

    18 vote(s)
    75.0%
  4. Sex offenders eg rapists

    12 vote(s)
    50.0%
  5. people with dementia

    14 vote(s)
    58.3%
  6. People with a severe psychiatric disturbance

    14 vote(s)
    58.3%
  7. People on the terrorist watch list

    9 vote(s)
    37.5%
  8. People with a history of domestic violence

    14 vote(s)
    58.3%
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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the whole point with a licence in the UK. It's so, hopefully, the right people own the gun(s). As in the poll, hopefully, the undesirables/criminals etc.. are vetted out to reduce gun incidents.
     
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    Have they? Or was that just another made up story planted by the NRA?
     
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    Did Piaget determine that a ten year old cannot make good decisions, that every decision they make will be wrong?

    Are all ten year old children exactly the same?

    We let sixteen year old children drive cars without supervision in the US. Should we?
     
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    Is that process 100% accurate, or does the process eliminate some citizens who would be perfectly fine owning a gun?
     
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    Do you have any EVIDENCE that the NRA has ever "planted" a false story about self defense? (Of course you don't.)

    They consider that a feature, not a bug. You know, like the Sullivan Act in New York, to keep them FORIGNERS from having guns.
     
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    Well, a shotgun certificate will not be given or renewed if the chief officer of police has a reason that you should not be allowed to have a shotgun under the Firearms Act. So as long as the person doesn't give a reason why they shouldn't be allowed one, then a certificate is issued.

    If something on a background check or one or both of your referees flag up a problem, then you wouldn't get a certificate.
     
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    This process is 100% accurate?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would have to ask those issuing certificates.
     
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    Like the government would admit to being wrong?

    Does the person who issues certficates have to give any identifiable reason for a denial?

    Is this denial subject to review?
     
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    You would have to check with the local police department in your area in the UK to cover any concerns that you may have. I believe the MP's in the commons and the House of Lords decide on the laws and the relevent agencies etc.. enforce them. To what standard etc.. You would have to check with your local police department. As I don't witness each application and each decision, I am unable to let you know anything, and I don't own a crystal ball either
     
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    That was published in a local newspaper from information provided by the PBSO and I doubt the NRA owns either the paper or the Sheriff's Department.

    Just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it did not happen.
     
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    Such discretion is commonly abused and sometime corrupted, as such shall issue is the only to have such a licensing.
     
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    And the REAL facts of the matter - do they align with these early reports? See I would be waiting for the results of the court case. I think it is interesting that the guy was half naked - it suggests a different story - one that is more about a woman getting a bit on the side and hubby finding out
     
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    And ownership of guns is commonly abused

    Gun owner does not automatically make them a “good guy”
     
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    Let’s look at these results


    Who should be restricted from owning a gun?

    1. Everyone has a right to own a gun
      7 vote(s)
      33.3%
    2. *
      Children should not own guns
      9 vote(s)
      42.9%
    3. *
      People with a past history of violent crime e.g bank robbery
      17 vote(s)
      81.0%
    4. *
      Sex offenders eg rapists
      12 vote(s)
      57.1%
    5. *
      people with dementia
      12 vote(s)
      57.1%
    6. *
      People with a severe psychiatric disturbance
      12 vote(s)
      57.1%
    7. *
      People on the terrorist watch list
      8 vote(s)
      38.1%
    *
    People with a history of domestic violence
    13 vote(s)
    61.9%

    There was no real way of making the first option exclusive so it is possible that some have chosen “everyone has a right to won a gun” AND have chosen one of the exclusions - but fir this exercise we will assume that those who chose option one did not choose any of the other options as well and say that there have been a total of 24 respondents. Just under one third voted for the “no restrictions” option

    Out of the restrictions the one I find most surprising is dementia. I would have thought more would have picked that option as precluding someone from owning a gun
     
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    At a firing range I used to shoot at, their range ammo (which had been reloaded a zillion times) often show a case bulge due to being shot in Glocks. A case separation would be a bad thing, ergo the popular "Glock Kaboom" threads over the years. A Glock 26 is what I carry. But I don't shoot it with reloaded Ammo.
     
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    The story is very factual, however you don't seem to be, there is no mention of anyone being half naked, or do you just make crap up as you go along?
     
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    Nice try at mincing words to fit a narrative.

    l'll fix it for ya, by and large law abiding gun owners are more often than not the good guys who are around when they are needed.
     
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    Polls such as yours, are useless, because there are no controls to ensure any form of accuracy.

    But that's not surprising, in fact it is typical for anti-gunners to use such misleading polls to promote their list of lies.
     
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    Need more he ya go.

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    Damn, that's gonna leave a mark.......
     
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    Option B, as usual.
     
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    Who should be restricted from owning a gun?
    Bowerbird, Thanks for the question and poll.

    At what age a child has access to firearms is a decision that a parent or guardian should make; some kids are more mature and/or more responsible than others. In the U.S., a child owning a firearm is an interesting thing. As children are prohibited from purchasing firearms the only way someone under 18 would legally own a gun would be if someone gave it to them. The gifting of a firearm to a minor would have different requirements in different states.

    I would apply the same concept of a child having access to firearms to persons with dementia or reduced mental ability; a responsible family member or caregiver should make that decision.

    Other than those two groups, everyone else on your list should be locked up or executed. The Terrorist Watch List should be done away with. What a stupid concept: "this is a list of dangerous terrorists that we need to watch". Watch them do what, harm innocent people? Those wrongly placed on the watch list should have their names cleared and removed from the list. Those remaining would be terrorists; lock them up or execute them.

    Those who have committed crime, served their sentence and been released have theoretically been punished and/or rehabilitated. They should be given a clean slate and be allowed to start anew.

    Rich
     

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