Who Started the RUSSIA! Collusion Hoax?

From the start, I thought that the hoax was started by the Obama administration, the Clinton group, and some in international intelligence services.

This morning, a guest on Breitbart Radio brought up an interesting theory. I don't know if it's what people really think, or if they're trying to find a way to save themselves. The guest said that the intelligence community think that Steele, the FBI, and CIA were all suckered by a RUSSIAN disinformation campaign.

Whether you vote, or not, your speculative theories are welcomed.

 

I think it originally started with Oboingo. He knew what they were up to but left them alone until he could use them to try to set Trump up.

 

Depends on what you consider the start of it to be.

The whole thing technically started under Obama although it didn't really come to light until he was out of office.

 

The CIA and the FBI leadership were all politicized under the Obama administration.

 

There appears to be a misunderstanding.

The poll question doesn't ask when the hoax started. We know that it began during the time that Obama was in office. The question asks who started the hoax. The 'who' can be an individual or a group.

 

I went with the deep state. The swamp doesn’t want to be drained. It’s a club that you, me, and trump aren’t in.
In my almost 30 year career, I have worked around a lot of government employees, civilians on military bases mostly. Their primary objective is to not get fired and cover their own butts. They will go to great lengths to defend their gravy train.

 

"I have worked around a lot of government employees, civilians on military bases mostly. Their primary objective is to not get fired and cover their own butts. They will go to great lengths to defend their gravy train."

Do you think that that is what's behind the Times article, as well? The article appears to paint, as a possibility, the picture that investigators were suckered. Maybe it's CYA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

 

Yup, the chief puppeteer was pulling the strings hence the Russian hoax and FBI spying on Trump.

 

And the whole uranium thing with Hillary that happened under his watch.

That's when all of this started, the cover-ups and what have you.

 

I think it technically started with Clinton and her conspiring with the Russians via the Fusion GPS and Steele cut-outs but that immediately after the dossier was brought to Obama's attention he immediately leaped on the opportunity to try and stick it to Trump even though he KNEW -- just like the Clintons knew -- that it was a phony dossier; and so both parties are equally guilty of knowingly and illegally pushing a political hoax on this nation.

 

The DNC and Obama. Hillary isn't smart enough to think of anything like this.

 

I hope Obama wasn't involved. It's clear however that the Clinton campaign and the deep state started the whole mess.

 

The people who COULD see reality

 

"Another possibility — one that Mr. Steele has not ruled out — could be Russian disinformation. That would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the Clinton campaign, Russian spymasters hedged their bets and placed a few land mines under Mr. Trump’s presidency as well.

Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, saw that as plausible. “Russia has huge experience in spreading false information,” he said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

 

BBBbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut what about_______?

 

He was. He lied about not knowing Hillary had a private server but was communicating with her under an alias the entire time. He lied about a lot of things and so did Rice, Lynch, Powers and Yates who abused their power to a high level of corruption and must be held accountable.

 

You people are delusional. Blaming anyone but the fat orange clown who invited Russian meddling:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...2Mnxj_fDj63bL1Qu6fFaEHGeovbgaECMJhySgormPeskU

What the report revealed, page after page, was President Donald Trump and his campaign’s efforts to profit from the most “sweeping and systematic” — to use the words of the report — information warfare attack ever waged against the United States of America.

Trump and his team were uniquely positioned to sound the alarm and halt the Russian attack, but instead they welcomed it.

Trump and his team were uniquely positioned to sound the alarm and halt the Russian attack, but instead they welcomed it. And then they tried to obstruct efforts to investigate it. As such, Trump bears distinct responsibility for our failure to defend against Russia’s hostility and take the steps necessary to deter future threats.

To ensure that his betrayal and obstruction, and the foreign hostility it invites, do not become the new status quo in America, Trump must be held accountable. This means we must convene public hearings in Congress leading to impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives. We must send an unmistakable message to our adversaries that we will not tolerate attempts to sabotage our democracy and upend the rule of law. It’s not an exaggeration to say that our freedom requires it.

As a former CIA officer, I know that foreign intelligence officers regularly try to infiltrate and manipulate American politics, but what kind of American wouldn’t, out of patriotic duty alone, reject and report a foreign offer to collaborate against our country? The very thought of such betrayal has always sat like a pit in my stomach. Having read Mueller’s report over the past few days, I’m left with that same awful feeling.

 

Why didn't they call the FBI the instant that they started receiving inquiries from a hostile foreign power?

Hint: Because they wanted the help. Because they're cynical traitors. Because they're stupid. Because they hoped to get help to build a tower in Moscow, and they're greedy.

 

The crook:


While the hoax was fueled by a wide array of false accusations, misleading leaks of ostensibly classified information, and bad-faith investigative actions by government officials, one vital element was indispensable to the overall operation: the Steele dossier.

Funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democrat National Committee, which hid their payments from disclosure by funneling them through the law firm Perkins Coie, the dossier was a collection of false and often absurd accusations of collusion between Trump associates and Russian officials. These allegations, which relied heavily on Russian sources cultivated by Christopher Steele, were spoon-fed to Trump opponents in the U.S. government, including officials in law enforcement and intelligence.

The efforts to feed the dossier’s allegations into top levels of the U.S. government, particularly intelligence agencies, were championed by Steele, Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson, and various intermediaries. These allegations were given directly to the FBI and Justice Department, while similar allegations were fed into the State Department by long-time Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-05/nunes-russian-collusion-hoax-meets-unbelievbable-end

 

Hillary forced the intelligence agencies to find Russian interference and investigate it? She forced the dumb **** to take a meeting in Trump Tower with Russians and have over 100 other meetings with Russians? She coerced Bonespurs to whore himself out to get a tower built in Moscow that he and his family repeatedly lied about?

That's all very interesting.

 

This is a really good read on the Who, what, where, when, why?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...QNis65ac3uCTVFVDOjoZNYTPH-nGzzaHQsOBR6WYksFb8

A cabal of CIA and FBI operatives, including the Director of the CIA, John Brennan, along with other members of the intelligence “community,” prominently including James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, and various members of the Obama administration, colluded to undermine Donald Trump’s campaign.

Like almost everyone else, they assumed that Hillary Clinton was a shoo-in, so they were careless about covering their tracks.

If Hillary had won, the department of Justice would have been her Department of Justice, John Brennan would still be head of the CIA, and the public would never have known about the spies, the set-ups, the skulduggery.

But Hillary did not win. For the last 16 months, we’ve watched as that exiled cabal shifted its efforts from stopping Trump from winning to a desperate effort to destroy his Presidency. Thanks to the patient work of Devin Nunes, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and a handful of GOP Senators, that effort is now disintegrating.

What is being exposed is the biggest political scandal in the history of the United States: the effort by highly placed - exactly how highly placed we still do not know - members of one administration to mobilise the intelligence services and police power of the state to spy upon and destroy first the candidacy and then, when that didn’t work, the administration of a political rival.

 

No. It's moronic. It starts with a whacko premise, and it makes up facts to support that whacko premise.

Read the Mueller Report. The same report that you earlier claimed "vindicated" Bonespurs J. Traitor, but are now attacking with nonsensical conspiracy theories. Do it now.

 

Not really. The real fons et origo is John Brennan, Director of the CIA under Obama. As Trump’s victories in the primaries piled up, Brennan convened a “working group” at CIA headquarters that included Peter Strzok, the disgraced FBI agent, and James Clapper, then Director of National Intelligence, in order to stymie Trump’s campaign.

Obama was behind all of this

 

Have you ever wondered why RUSSIA! had to suddenly be made into the greatest threat that the world has ever known?

Hint: Contacts with a non-threatening nation would have been yawned at.

Check out this article. It mentions China, Iran, and private groups. RUSSIA! doesn't even rate a mention.

https://apnews.com/936b3fe969a540559ecc7503a547e2ad

 

They must not have done all of those things! You've cracked the case!

Russia AND Trump are innocent!