Who Started the RUSSIA! Collusion Hoax?

Hyperbole straw man, the notion that Russia was "suddenly made into the greatest threat that the world has ever known." It is what it is - Russia has a functioning intelligence service and capable cyber warfare and information warfare capabilities, which are also evident from their past efforts closer to home, e.g. in Ukraine. You only help them and harm their enemies, us included, by defending their wrongdoing and trying to say it's all a "hoax." I don't know why you or any other American would want to do that. Except for Trump, at least, because Trump is clearly a narcissist who places his own selfish and momentary interests above those of the nation. His self-aggrandisement and constantly playing the victim ought to be a clue, as should his directing officials to lie on his behalf and orchestrating one cover-up after another, including his own frequent public lies about his personal involvement in Trump Tower Moscow.

None of this makes Russia "the greatest threat that the world has ever known," but their efforts as documented and exposed do show us that they are a threat nonetheless, and that they had a remarkable impact on the 2016 electoral process through their efforts. Hacking and dumping emails during the campaign was no small thing, especially given all the consequences it had. Their organizing real rallies of Trump supporters around the country was no small thing, either. It all adds up to Russia placing a thumb on the scales, and pressing down pretty hard at that.

 

"Hyperbole straw man, the notion that Russia was "suddenly made into the greatest threat that the world has ever known.""

It's not much of an exaggeration, to say "the greatest threat the world has ever known". That's been what has been pushed on us for the past couple of years. Well, it's a tie between RUSSIA! and NAZIS!. Both strawmen have been rammed down our throats. The manufactured perception, that we need to be obsessed with the threat posed by RUSSIA!, is a strawman.

"You only help them and harm their enemies, us included, by defending their wrongdoing and trying to say it's all a "hoax." I don't know why you or any other American would want to do that."

"Collusion" with RUSSIA! has been proven to be a hoax.

I have not seen a single person defend RUSSIAN! interference in our elections. It's just that it's not as big an issue as the attacks on our country from within. Everything, that made America into the great nation that it is, is under constant assault. Why people support the destruction of our values is incomprehensible.

"None of this makes Russia "the greatest threat that the world has ever known," but their efforts as documented and exposed do show us that they are a threat nonetheless, and that they had a remarkable impact on the 2016 electoral process through their efforts. Hacking and dumping emails during the campaign was no small thing, especially given all the consequences it had. Their organizing real rallies of Trump supporters around the country was no small thing, either. It all adds up to Russia placing a thumb on the scales, and pressing down pretty hard at that."

Why doesn't Clapper mention RUSSIA!? There seems to have been no special concern, at the time.

https://apnews.com/936b3fe969a540559ecc7503a547e2ad

Why did RUSSIA! suddenly become the greatest threat to America? Was it a necessary part of the "collusion" narrative? Only after it became widely known that Trump wanted a better relationship with RUSSIA!, was the hoax born.

Who doesn't want a better relationship with RUSSIA!, and why don't they?

 

A "better relationship" with Russia doesn't involve rolling over like a beta dog and allowing them to interfere in our elections.

 

Again, there was no "hoax" to begin with. There were the facts and concerns surrounding them, and there still are. Trump has been trying to control the narrative on this by setting up this COLLUSION! straw man. He took the worst unknown possibility and conjecture -- that he was a knowing Russian collaborator -- and mischaracterized all of the reporting about the Russian interence, which most certainly did happen, and happened in his favor whether he likes it or not (hint: he did until it secured him his victory), as being a false accusation against him of that, when it wasn't. He spun the facts to his own political advantage (with the help of others who probably did the actual heavy thinking for him, of course).

As for wanting a better relationship with Russia, we can't expect that from Putin. The ******* has been attacking us through disinformation, for crying out loud. He wouldn not even accept help when the Kursk sank and the crew perished for it. Remember that? Putin has never been a pro-US kind of guy. He's former KGB and has been trying to make Russia "great again" in the image of the former USSR, the collapse of which he considers a real tragedy. He's on the record about that. He isn't our friend. George Bush and Barack Obama both made the mistake of trying to be friendly with him. All he has ever done is take advantage of us for it.

 

"Again, there was no "hoax" to begin with. There were the facts and concerns surrounding them, and there still are."

Please post link to pee tape.

"He took the worst unknown possibility and conjecture -- that he was a knowing Russian collaborator -- and mischaracterized all of the reporting about the Russian interence, which most certainly did happen, and happened in his favor whether he likes it or not (hint: he did until it secured him his victory), as being a false accusation against him of that, when it wasn't. He spun the facts to his own political advantage (with the help of others who probably did the actual heavy thinking for him, of course)."

Nevermind that everybody, and their brother, is still spinning facts to his, and the country's disadvantage...

"As for wanting a better relationship with Russia, we can't expect that from Putin. The ******* has been attacking us through disinformation, for crying out loud. He wouldn not even accept help when the Kursk sank and the crew perished for it. Remember that? Putin has never been a pro-US kind of guy. He's former KGB and has been trying to make Russia "great again" in the image of the former USSR, the collapse of which he considers a real tragedy. He's on the record about that. He isn't our friend. George Bush and Barack Obama both made the mistake of trying to be friendly with him. All he has ever done is take advantage of us for it."

All of this, and more, is known. We don't have to like them and they don't have to like us.

Neither do we have to escalate tensions over such as Syria

 

I'll say it was hitlery's campaign thru McCabe. Page says in testimony that there was an investigation in the FBI prior to Crossfire Hurricane's genesis at the end of July. Priot to that the FBI had no reason to look at Trump. They had to have been prodded. and the likely stooge was McCabe and the $$$ to his wife's campaign thru McAuliffe as the cutout. The FBI was for sale.

 

I voted "Clinton", but it was actually all the sycophants and stooges in the Clinton Campaign and their little 'helpers' in the FBI and the Obamanite "Justice" Department. I doubt that Hillary herself would have had the intelligence to have thought up such an interesting, intriguing, and involved set of schemes and ploys, or to be able to carry them forth. But, some of the ass-kissers she had fawning over her were as clever as they were corrupt....

 

Obama at the top, but John Brennan was key.

The first phase of the illegal investigation of the Trump associates involved initiating wiretaps without any probable cause. This eventually involved six government intelligence and law enforcement agencies that formed a de facto task force headed by the CIA’s Director John Brennan. Also reportedly involved were the FBI’s James Comey, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Department of Homeland Security Director Jeh Johnson, and Admiral Michael Rogers who headed the National Security Agency.

Brennan was the key to the operation because the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court refused to approve several requests by the FBI to initiate taps on Trump associates and Trump Tower as there was no probable cause to do so but the British and other European intelligence services were legally able to intercept communications linked to American sources. Brennan was able to use his connections with those foreign intelligence agencies, primarily the British GCHQ, to make it look like the concerns about Trump were coming from friendly and allied countries and therefore had to be responded to as part of routine intelligence sharing. As a result, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Gen. Michael Flynn were all wiretapped. And likely there were others. This all happened during the primaries and after Trump became the GOP nominee.

In other words, to make the wiretaps appear to be legitimate, GCHQ and others were quietly and off-the-record approached by Brennan and associates over their fears of what a Trump presidency might mean. The British responded by initiating wiretaps that were then used by Brennan to justify further investigation of Trump’s associates. It was all neatly done and constituted completely illegal spying on American citizens by the U.S. government.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...cratic-coup-against-legally-elected-president

If Barr does not start indicting these people, we have failed our fore fathers and let criminals take over the government.

 

I'll revise what I wrote earlier to push all of my chips in on what Joe diGenova has to say on the subject. Comey, Lynch, & barry (maybe. I'm sure he'll claim he dint know nothin' till he read it in the paper.) are in big trouble.

 

I went with "Clinton" but it seems that if she came up with the original idea she had some major backers almost immediately from the Obama Administration, high up in the FBI, CIA and the Deep State.

Is the D.C. Swamp all set up for draining?

 

Except that the Mueller report is a biased hack job. Mostly gathered by the FBI which we know wasn't investigating Trump, they were out to get Trump on Behalf of Hillary them out of vengeance after she lost.
Nothing provided by the FBI should be considered valid or admissible in court.

 

Take it up with Obozo. There's your culprit. Stand down.

 

Obama's reset was naïve.

But Bonespurs is taking it to a new level, involving smooching Putin's buttocks and knowingly accepting assistance in the 2016 campaign when the Russians were engaged in a "sweeping and systematic" assault on that election.

Don't look now, but Bonespurs just gave Russia the green light to do it again.

 

It's just a matter of "which" loony bin Dem gets the nomination, before those pesky Face Book ads that no one sees start showing up again.

Maybe Putin will throw in a dossier on the Dem as well?

 

You should read the Mueller Report, which lays out a "sweeping and systematic" attempt to **** up our 2016 election.

But, if you think it's funny to allow a hostile foreign power to do that, and think it's amusing that Bonespurs knowingly accepted their help, you're not exactly the picture of patriotism, now are you?

 

Anyone who voted for the venomous viper, the Skankipotimus literally voted for Hitler. How does it feel to be a fascist?

 

Throwing around epithets that you don't understand?

Interesting.

Not you:

 

Fascist Skankipotimus true believers. Oh yes, I believe I understand you quite well.

 

This guy was Obama's White House Counsel! LOL!

 

Oops!!

 

I am not entertained by a bloated incompetent scofflaw.

 

"The 80s want their foreign policy back." - President Obama.

I wonder if that made you laugh.

 

You missed the point.