"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Haha funny.
“ In 2016, the maximum earnings subject to Social Security taxes was $118,500. In 2017, the cap will increase to $127,200, an increase of $8,700 or 7%. If your income exceeds that cap, you don’t pay Social Security tax on what you earn beyond the limit. The Social Security tax rate will remain unchanged at 6.2%.”

so, you do know this problem has been address. It’s addressed this way every time you cry wolf.

 

So really, what’s your point. You want to keep giving massive tax breaks to the rich and then cutting Medicare and Social security ? Or do you want them to pay their fair share.

Which is it. ?

 

Then, they solved the problem by having the irs raise the cap for 2017. Problem solved.

 

Yep, the government pays double price for the mediocre health care services, effectively stealing our money.

 

There is no way around it, you use a road to drive your car I am using it to ride a bicycle even though I use it less, we are paying the same amount of taxes

 

You really think comparing a road to healthcare is a valid argument, huh?

 

Yes, absolutely, the argument is perfectly valid.
In both cases the service cannot be provided by private corporation.
In both cases government is heavily involved.
Do you know that most of the research in health care is done by the government (NIH)?
Why should we (the people) transfer technology to private health care corporations for the sole reason to be charged double price?

 

The comparison isn't even as close as apples and oranges. I can't even begin to have a rational conversation about it, it is ridiculous.

 

What is stupid is your post—you’ve answered your own question—everybody with money will pay for everybody without. Leave my GD money in my wallet. I don’t need the Progressives helping themselves to my blood, sweat, and tears to my earnings give to someone else who hasn’t a right to it.

 

That is because you are not looking at the bigger picture.
It seems like in your mind the health care is just to go to family doctor and get a pills for running nose.
The health care is a much bigger system, it cannot exist without the government. That is why you do not see similarities.

The main difference between the system of interstate roads and health care system is that government delegates management of health care to the private cartel. As you know the main purpose of any cartel is to do anything to jack up the prices of the services, i.e. to create all kind of barriers to distort the market and limit the access.

If you limit your scope only to discussion about small private health care practice at your village, then yes nothing is rational.

 

You will not to buy anything for those kind of money, if someone get seriously sick all the saving will go to the doctor's pockets.
Insurance of course, will kick you out immediately as nonprofitable client.
Why do want to do that?
It is extremely hard to understand why people want to be ripped off without any kind of protection.

 

My life—better a free man than a kept pet.

 

But that is utopia.
You are not a free man and never will be, you are doomed to use public facilities, roads, bridges and you have to obey public laws.
Also, the money that you pay for your "free life" is backed up by the government (otherwise your money has no value).
You can only choose between a power of private monopolies and power of people.
It is impossible to understand why private monopolies that are stealing all your money from your pockets daily are better then government backed health care that has fixed cost.

 

It absolutely is. They’re both an example if socialism; services provided by the govt that neither the individual nor the private for profit sector, can do as efficiently.

 

Realty is reality. My life is mine.
You live yours, and we’ll both do fine.

Ayn Rand: “There are only two fundamental questions (or two aspects of the same question) that determine the nature of any social system: Does a social system recognize individual rights?—and: Does a social system ban physical force from human relationships? The answer to the second question is the practical implementation of the answer to the first.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/social_system.html

 

Well, given the history of pollution and disregard for human life, we know unfettered capitalism does not value individual rights.
We do have a POV the believes we have the individual right to buy a gun regardless of who, what and where you are, while the other POV feels that clean air, water and access to affordable healthcare is a least EQUALLY important. In reality, rights mean nothing if you have to deal with bad air, water and poor health. Even the most ardent supporter of any rights, wants to be in good health to enjoy them. In its basic sense, the govt has a responsibility to supply a safe and healthy environment to practice whatever any other rights you deem, important.

 

Well, of course capitalism respects individual rights, it just rejects the idea that garabage is justification for slavery.

Ayn Rand: “
If it were true that a heavy concentration of industry is destructive to human life, one would find life expectancy declining in the more advanced countries. But it has been rising steadily. Here are the figures on life expectancy in the United States (from the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company):


1900
47.3 years
1920
53 years
1940
60 years
1968
70.2 years (the latest figures compiled)
Anyone over 30 years of age today, give a silent “Thank you” to the nearest, grimiest, sootiest smokestacks you can find.”--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecology-environmental_movement.html

 

What environmentalist is seek is an earth without human life, not one fit for human life.

Ayn Rand: “Ecology as a social principle . . . condemns cities, culture, industry, technology, the intellect, and advocates men’s return to “nature,” to the state of grunting subanimals digging the soil with their bare hands.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecology-environmental_movement.html

 

One man’s need for a bandaid is not a license to steal from his neighbor.

 

Explain to me how dumping toxic wastes into lakes, rivers and streams and air and polluting fresh water sources down stream and air quality even in other states, is respecting my individual rights. How is putting arsenic or reactive substances into weed killers and cigarettes without proper labeling which again pollutes my ground water and lungs of everyone nearby . Private industry has done this for decades and only rescinded with govt. intervention.

History is filled with instances of unsafe working conditions to harassment to down right slavery . It was private enterprise that promoted and supported slavery.

 

Sanitation is a tecnological issue, and not a political one. And most certainly not a justification for banning fossil fuels or coal.

 

If at first you don’t succeed, try another platitude instead of
facts.

ha ha.....
You must be an ex coal miner. Average life expectancy is 52 years. How does it feel to have every university, country and major corporation disagree with you.

The govt spends 140 billion on R and D. Without govt spending, you’d be dying at age 35 and flogging your mule to get to work.

 

What? Your pain isn’t a license to steal is not fact. Ok. You go with that...better bring a gun.

How does it feel to be one man against the majority? Read Ibsen’s, The Enemy if the People:

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  • The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That’s one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population—the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it’s the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it’s the fools that form the overwhelming majority.
    • Henrik Ibsen, Dr. Stockmann, in An Enemy of the People, act 4 (1882)

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  • I’m plotting revolution against this lie that the majority has a monopoly of the truth. What are these truths that always bring the majority rallying round? Truths so elderly they are practically senile. And when a truth is as old as that, gentlemen, you can hardly tell it from a lie.

That’s how I feel.

And lastly, Capitalism didn’t create pollution, poverty, or child labor, it inherited them; and since it’s inception has done more to eliminate them than any politician, government thug, or environmentalist.

 

Capitalism, spawned slavery and pollution.
You’re memory is poor and history worse. BEFORE govt, all we had was UNFETTED capitalism.

 

LOL. Oh you go with that. Best of luck on your way to Venezuela. But as for me , as an “Enemy of the People”, I’ll stick with my Capitalism, and with my majority of one.