Why Americans are Saying 'No'

OK.

So please, let us all in what those goals and strategies are.

What was the goal in usurping the long term friend in Egypt for a fundamentalist regime?

What was the goal of Israels 1967 borders other than revealing the true depth of stupidity of Barrack Obama?

The list is too long to go into in fact. It has been my experience as a manager/owner in TV newsrooms, business and life in general that if things look shambolic it is relatively certain they are, and when something as slick and organized as the State Department shows signs of negligence and outright idiocy, corruption and crap like Benghazi then its more than shambolic.....

Please list those goals and objectives. Please let us in on what goal, what objective is worth an unlimited number of dead innocent civilians. What end is worth fifty times the casualties of twelve years ago today?

The end justifies the means, is the argument of terrorists everywhere....

Clearly to you, the cost of innocent lives is meaningless in terms of the goal, whatever that may be. It matters not that you have slid into the sewage filled gutter and become the very thing you vowed to fight 12 years ago today.

The end justifies the means. No matter how many millions of innocent people die in the process of achieving the objective. makes you the terrorist.

 

There was no busy flow of traffic all planes were grounded.

 

No, have you ever huffed Sarin?

 

It will never be publicly known, How would tat happen? Would it be on the News?

NY was on lock down, communications were jammed smoke was piped out of one empty building and we were shown a 'Hollywood movie of a plane hitting and fire balls and (*)(*)(*)(*). Still on lock down NY is a ghost town. Smoke is piped out of other building we are still being shown a Movie ......buildings pulled and the movie carries on animated bodies flying upside down .........zoom in and still the shots and you will see a cowboy with a long rifle at one window and a person crawling sideways along the building on another ....actors run through smoke and on and on and on 'The Towering Inferno' and on and on .................... but we all must believe what we will,.the trouble with all these things is no one wants to look closely at anything so horrendous. nor question because they feel guilty doing so ...........................

No matter what ever conclusions we come too we do know it wasn't what it seemed.

 

Then you are unqualified to make your earlier assertion.

 

So are you. However I can wrap my head around the concept that a blast in one's vicinity of a thermonuclear device is a bit more dangerous to one's health than getting popped with a spitball.

 

But I did not make the assertion that you made.

 

Okay then, I shall enlighten you so that you can make an assertion just like I can. White phosphorous burns until it runs out of oxygen or becomes diluted, so, a drop the size of a pinhead on your body would most likely cause a bit of discomfort for a few minutes. That being said, a drop of VX the size of a pinhead can kill a human being....convulsions, spasms, jerking about while gasping for breath and then death.

So basically, we have "Ouchy! That burns! Okay, its all better now and I'll be needing a bandaid and some Neosporin." and "Gah!" *jerky jerky cough cough* *dead*.

 

How does that compare with a Cruise Missile or drone hit , which "accidently " strayed into an apartment block or other densely populated residential area ?
causing "collateral damage " which USA military refuse to acknowledge/simply ignore ?

 

There are numerous videos of the planes, quite a number of them apparently being amateur video. Then you have a city full of eyewitnesses... I don't consider it reasonable to reject the existence of planes impacting the towers.

 

The difference is dozens over thousands or millions. Would you like a crash course in mathematics? I call my course (or is it coarse?) Mandragorian Cyphers and Gazentas.

 

WP can kill and does a lot more damage than you are making out.

Besides, in the end, killing is killing, evil is evil, does it really matter what method you use?

 

Nah , my limits are monkey maths ..

However . can you produce Any evidence to support your claim, apart from your say so

Seems to me many more millions of victims have been killed/maimed by US conventional weapons , in living memory than by chemical weapons, including US Napalm bombs in Vietnam

But , I concede /admit , not being as clever (smart arse ) as you claim to be (wink)

... tata...

 

You''ve as much chance getting through to some Americans as you have many Jews - none.

They have too much of the same kind of nature.

One Israel or US soldier gets kidnapped, and it's an international incident.

They rain agent orange down on human beings, and it acts like super vitamins.

 

Sad Sav,
That is indeed a wiser course of action than asking for world approval and then ignoring the approval caveats.

However, I ask you to consider this. By arming and supporting rebel groups, you nail your colours to the mast. You say "I have made a choice as to whom I believe are the 'good guys'." What that allows is for nutters like Osama to finger you as a hostile adversary who has chosen to harm "the people" without any legal justification or jurisdiction. And then THEY feel justified to fly planes into tall buildings.

Here's what I consider to be a better idea. Stick with the UN Charter that you drafted. Follow the French example. Follow the German example. Be sophisticated.

 

There yah go, reduce the problem down to a specific type of people born in a certain place, and then say all considered solutions are invalid, because of the "nature" of the person. Yep, that's a great way to solve the world's problems.

Come on man, really?

 

Take a look at some photos of WWII. Take a look at how all humans (at least those who had achieved the capability to do so) were bombing as much as they could, and indiscriminately. Take a long look at a lot of photos, and try to ascertain the difference in those bombs and the ones we got today. The US recognized the problem of collateral damage, and we worked long and hard to minimize it, and the results are in the US arsenal right now.

Second, you seem to lack a fundamental understanding of war and in general the way the world works. Perhaps you aren't stepping back far enough, and looking at the big historical picture. You can't just say, "The US should stop killing, because murder is wrong", and as if to imply that the US is somehow evil. Wake up, everyone is killing! Since the beginning of recorded history! Even Gandhi supported the war against Hitler. There is not a lot of free will in war and history. The top US generals are dealing with the hands they have been dealt, they must conduct war the best they know how, according to the times. Just as Syria's top generals are. Leaders around the world are locked into a game of chess that is already in progress. Some moves are just not possible. Right now the name of the game in war is air power, supported by intel and space power. All generals around the world are trying to maximize their potential to do this. It's because that's how you win.

And you can't blame people for wanting to win. So I disagree with any of your notions that imply some sort of evil within the US, as I don't think you've considered the precision that the US has developed in warfare to prevent civilian casualties, or the appreciate the situations world leaders are placed in by their predecessors.

As far as white phosphorous, I've done 2 tours in Iraq, and 1 in Afghan, and I've never heard of it killing people until I saw your posts. I was under the impression that it was used for illumination, so that we don't just have to fire randomly in the dark in wide areas. I doubt your claims.

 

Yes, really. Although there are SOME good Americans that don't talk and act just like haughty Israeli Jews, I often find their manner and anti values hard to distinguish.

Thank god for those Americans who are not like that.

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Does doubting them mean you are open to persuasion, or does it mean you doubt them as in you psychologically do not want to believe otherwise?

 

I'm open to persuasion that some idiot got people killed with them, either intentionally or not. But do I agree with the way you are implying WP has been used on this forum? No, and I cannot be persuaded to this because the way you describe it is WP is being used as a general tactic, which I would have heard about, because I talk to people. Soldiers aren't robots, we actually have a lot of time to become friends and talk. People I know would definitely be talking about such a tactic.

 

I was too - now that they show all out support for the Syrian war without observing the international treaty on chemical weapons themselves, it shows their true insolence. Top security officials in Israel do not support this by the way, just Bebe.

 

Examples?

 

You think the Rupert Murdoch Wall Street Journal has credibility?

 

Nope, no amateur videos .fakes all, and no there wasn't a whole city full of witnesses. The City wasn't full because it was on lock down and from the ground in NY what can you see of the horizon ? They saw the planes on TV .....though a few actors might have seen planes? All the still photos are taken from impossible angles too. fake all fake

I believed it was all real once too ................. I used to believe a lot of things ......even soaps seem real sometimes eh?

And the saga carries on ..................

 

I think you're just yanking my chain now.

 

Maybe she likes you? Hardly gives me the time of day. Lucky bugger.