Why aren't you out performing miracles with your Christian super powers?

*how would god have prevented those planes from hitting the towers?
*what lesson was learned (I'm assuming you think god letting the planes hit the towers was a lesson) by the planes hitting the towers?
*how would 'faith' have prevented those people taking control of the planes?
*if it was anyone but you saying the DEAD were saved too, I'd be horrified. as I'm sure, would be any living relative of those who died ... where they to hear someone like you claim god chose only the most special people to ACTUALLY save, while the rest were ignored. since it is you ....

 

Yes,well you're right. I was raised Roman Catholic and almost my entire family is Roman Catholic..most in name only. I'm not an atheist by any means, however neither do I subscribe to any organized religion that I know of. I don't think that atheists are "pizzed off with god". Not the majority anyway. Atheists simply don't accept the concept of an all knowing, all seeing creator god that whipped everything together some 6,000+- years ago for 'whatever reason'. Angry atheists are attackers. As well as being the most vocal. Angry Atheists, to me, are cut from the same cloth as those religious folk they perpetually badmouth and persecute. Angry Atheists constitute a virtual religion. They preach the dogma of yet to be proven science as they berate the yet to be proven dogma of the creation fable. They are a integral part of a never ending cycle of finger pointing and "you can't prove this" and "you can't prove that" chants that serve no purpose what so ever. They stand firmly on the low rung of the ladder of enlightenment. They mouth philosophies they can barely pronounce, yet understand. You say that "you find some Christians quite scary...in thesame way any unhinged person is". Angry Atheists qualify as "any unhinged person".

 

You misunderstand. I mean that Christians can be scary because delusional people are scary. This has nothing to do with anger, and everything to do with the fact that (creationists and fundamentalists in particular) such people are disconnected from reality in a disturbing way.

Meanwhile, on the angry atheist thing .... you may be quite right. I can see how those who were raised with Christianity may feel that they were forced - under threats of damnation, to accept a bunch of lies. Even had that not been the case, many who've grown up in places in which Christianity has traditionally been feted, might have been forced to tolerate outrageous arrogance and double standards on the part of those who demanded to be viewed as virtuous. The societal pressure to 'respect' religion has been, up until very recently, a gross imposition upon those who don't care for it. Atheists, essentially, have been forced to keep quiet. To live a lie, in other words. Why would you think that wouldn't breed at least a little anger, now that we've grown up enough to say "hold on a minute, just what IS this nonsense we've been forced to believe for all these centuries"?

I was raised without religion of any kind, yet I still get quite pizzed off when Christians impose their nonsense in social settings. It's simply poor form to talk about your delusions in company, and worse, to expect others to respect and admire them. Worse still, to demand that others take up these delusions themselves. To top it off, such people sometimes get very angry when, after demanding allegiance to their delusion, one asks innocent questions by way of seeking justification for allegiance. All of which I've been subjected, to many times ... and still am occasionally.

 

Dr. P. M. H. Atwater had three near death experiences back in 1977.

By September 11, 2001 she had gotten pretty good at controlling what may be the out of the body state.

What she reports seeing occurring in fifth, and sixth and seventh and eighth dimensional space - time, after the terrorist attack is pretty impressive.


http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ul-wave-formed-september-11-13-2001-i-do.html

(Dr. P. M. H. Atwater)
http://www.near-death.com/atwater/september11/index.html#two

 

I really like how you think ronmatt!

My dad passed on January 1, 1990. By Yom Kippur of that year I was thinking and thinking about how I might be able to do something for him that would assist him in whichever dimension of space - time that he has passed on into. Dad was a mess in so many ways…. .but I can honestly state that I would not trade him for anybody else……. not even my boyhood hero Garner Ted Armstrong who I used to listen to as often as three times daily on TV and radio.

What I decided to do was put in an offer on the "guilt/ debt of Azazel" that would perhaps turn Azazel…. whoever that was…. into the metaphorical General Abner of the fallen angelic kingdom… who would divide the kingdom of Satan…. and cause it to fall?!

I attempted to explain this to an audience of Christian here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/
Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!…
I had been fasting on Yom Kippur since the late 1970's and I had always wondered what this verse could possibly mean:

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)…
In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!


"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"
(Matthew 12)

 

.......... yet I still get quite pizzed off when Atheists impose their nonsense in social settings. It's simply poor form to talk about your delusions in company, and worse, to expect others to respect and admire them. Worse still, to demand that others take up these delusions themselves. To top it off, such people sometimes get very angry when, after demanding allegiance to their delusion, one asks innocent questions by way of seeking justification for allegiance. All of which I've been subjected, to many times ... and still am occasionally.

shoe-foot-switch. Ya gotta give me a break here. You have the right to impose your beliefs (?) but those that have different beliefs don't? Because that's precisely what you're saying.

 

Forgive me, what beliefs do atheists impose? Remembering that atheism is simply one LESS belief than theists have, nothing more.

And comparing the belief in worldwide floods, 900 year old men, and talking snakes, to a preference for reality is humorous. Two people join you for dinner. One cheerfully thanks you for the fine meal about to be consumed, the other announces that a special ritual must be carried out, lest the great cave bear be angered. This person then intones a strange chant, clearly expecting you to join in, before making the sign of the cave bear over the food. Which one is delusion (and rude), and which one has good manners and sanity?

 

That's odd, I' m a very old atheist and I have NEVER , not once in my life had an atheist try to push their belief onto me(not knowing I am an atheist), NOR have I ever heard one try to shove their belief down anyone's throat, ever.

I HAVE had Christians try to impose their beliefs on ME many many many times and get rather upset that I don't see things their way.....

I have NEVER driven up to someone's house uninvited to try to get them to become atheists. I have NEVER exhibited atheistic symbols in the workplace nor any PUBLIC place..

I have never tried to say atheists are cleaner than "other" people but had the opposite said to me.


The word delusion has to do with believing in something that doesn't exist (and can't be proven to exist)...atheists have no delusions on whether there's a god or not...

 

Not God but the people of God would have prevented those evil terrorist from using those planes to hit the towers.
Lesson learn is that never underestimate evil and tough decision need to be made to defeat evil.
With faith we would stop or prevented those evil terrorist from taking over those planes warnings were ignored.
Just like the story of Job when Satan made Job's lie so miserable by killing his family but Job remain loyal to God. Those people the witnesses, the survivors, relatives of the victims instead of turning against God they turn to God and through God they found strength, courage and hope.

 

once again:

HOW would 'the people of god' have prevented it? what is the mechanism involved? how does being a person of god translate to action?

HOW would you avoid underestimating evil? and how does faith in the Abrahamic god cause you to not underestimate?

HOW would faith prevent ,evil terrorists, taking over planes? Please explain the mechanism.

Finally, do you SERIOUSLY think the infinitesimally small chance of some afterlife (which few theists truly believe anyway - hence their wholesale failure to live as though someone is watching) was a comfort to people who lost loved ones? And how can you possibly be okay with some being saved by a god, yet others were left to die?

 

Since planes don't normally fly into buildings something must be preventing them from doing so. When a plane does fly into a building God is drinking wine and eating barbecued kidneys and fat on the top of his favorite mountain.

 

I don't believe in a god but I have plenty of hope, courage and strength....guess I don't need a crutch.

 

how do you outperform a miracle?

 

Well, yeah. Pilots do. That's why planes have pilots..to keep them from flying into things. Duh. Conversely, planes will fly into things when pilots point them at things. Why do you blame the planes? I'll bet you believe that guns kill people too; on their own. (god preoccupied again?)

 

name one amputee a Priest has healed

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The people of God would have prevented the planes from being hijack by arresting those terrorist before they have boarded.
A person of God would have understood that that those terrorist have total disregard for human lives and made the tough decision without getting caught in all the political correctness that would have stop them from preventing those terrorist from carrying out their evil plans.
Evil is very obvious those terrorist openly threatens us and act on their threats they don't hide their hatred and evil plans against us but because of too much complacency you allow evil to happen.
Faith in God allows us to do the right and tough judgement to go after those evil terrorist before they could carry out their plans.
Yes survivors and relatives of those who died in the 9/11 attack have found comfort knowing that their love ones, friends and acquaintances who died were victims of evil (Satan) not God's.

Atheist in times of prosperity is against God. In times of sufferings they blame God.
Christians in times of prosperity they forget about God. In times of sufferings they turn to God.

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No man is an island. No man stands alone. In God we Trust.

 

When a plane fly into a building atheist were in control testing their godly powers.

 

It's THE stumper for those who believe in "faith healing" or "miraculous healing".

While "terminal cancer gets cured by God" just happens to also fall into the category of even a low remission occurance....(Say it's 5%...that 5% survives and claims they were "cured by GOd"....while the 95% who die...don't actually get much chance to voice their opposing view, do they?)

but there's not ONE modern account of God re-growing an amputated limb ever documented.

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In the most recent cases of people flying planes into buildings...the person piloting the plane....was a believer in God.

 

Atheists have godly powers ? LOL!

Atheists were responsible for 9/11 ? LOL!

THEY are more powerful than your god ...????.


That's OK, you've never had credibility with me anyway........

 

theists were in control of the 911 planes, at least be honest

 

Planes are piloted by people who some are Christians and atheist and they pilot the planes with great care and responsibility. Then there are the evil people who believe in a false and evil god that tells them to seize and hijack those planes from the good Christians and none Christian pilots killing everyone on board by crushing it into tall buildings.

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Christians are responsible for 9/11? LOL!
Atheist have magic power that they think is godly.
Atheist have no God but themselves.
Same with you total lack of credibility and respect for victims of 9/11.

 

What about Christians who believe in YOUR God....who shoot doctors?

 

Be honest was it Christians who were hijacking the planes? Was it Christians who were piloting the planes before the evil hijackers took it from them? Was it Christians or atheist who say "let's roll" and they went after the evil hijackers?

Todd Beamer a Christian he and his fellow passenger sacfrice themselves to stop the evil hijackers who worship a false god from crushing the plane on more innocent civilians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Beamer

 

Why don't you consider lying a sin?

I NEVER showed lack of respect for the victims of 9/11.


I NEVER said Christians were responsible for 9/11.

I do not consider myself a god.

Three BIG lies in one post! Is there a christian reward for that???

 

To satisfy the planes cannibalistic urges. It ate the building.

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The same God of WR.