Why Chris Christie will lose in 2016

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  1. pjohns

    pjohns Well-Known Member

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    Well, that is not exactly correct.

    I believe it was after it became evident that Charlie Crist would not win the Republican nomination, and he therefore decided to run as a third-party candidate--potentially draining votes from the Republican standard-bearer, Marco Rubio--that Crist was disfellowshipped from the GOP...
     
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    Ah, you are referring to those whose group health insurance is subsidized by the taxpayer to the tune of $250 billion annually vs the 48 million uninsured, I see.
     
  3. Tom Joad

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    Crist was hated by the Republican base long before that.

    The right doesn't want to take any personal responsibility.

    They want to blame the moderates for leaving the party, rather than accept the blame for driving them out, and for every one they drive out, they drive another nail into their coffin.

    He was hated because he governed like an Old School Eisenhower Republican, AKA RINO by today's standards.

    The right wing screamed their tits off when he extended early voting hours in the 2008 election, allowing people to exercise their constitutional rights.

    He was lambasted by the right for admitting that he acknowledged that global warming was real and man made.

    He had almost as high an approval rating among Democrats as he did Republicans.

    A Governor who represented all the people.

    What a concept.

    Totally unacceptable in today's Republican party.
     
  4. justoneman

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    No I am saying people during the depression felt guilty for taking aid and today they think it is just part of normal life to have the government provide tax money for their use without that guilty feeling.
     
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    If the country was homogeneous, and Liberals and Conservatives were spread out evenly across the land, the GOP would be a different party, probably the Democrats would be different, too.

    Because even with the demographic shifts that are going to make it increasingly difficult for the GOP to take the White House, there is still going to be a large GOP contingent in very safe seats, who feel no need to moderate or alter their message or their policies, because those policies and that message works great in their district and their state, although those messages aren't working in their country.
    So they hold the House for now, they could get the Senate, depending on how things break.
    The problem is, and here's a good example with the shutdown, you go back to a safe Red district and everyone is all "SHUT'ER DOWN!".
    And so the party leadership sees the shutdown as a positive development.
    But in those marginal areas, where the Shutdown is hurting GOP incumbents, that's where the Democrats can pick up the House, they only need 18 seats.
    And nationally, the shutdown is pretty much shutting down any chance the GOP had for the 2016 Presidential Pageant.
    They can say it's not as bad as when Gingrich shut down the government, but this government is balanced on a razor's edge, it doesn't take much to tip it one way or the other.
     
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    Why not.. His policies have created jobs in Newark .. good jobs.

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    Do you remember?

    Most people in the US didn't get any aid during the depression.
     
  7. Kranes56

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    Because in order to win, you need to have moderates. But the problem is that in order to win the primaries, you have to act conservative so when the moderate wins, he no longer is a moderate, he's a conservative in moderate's clothing.
     
  8. Tom Joad

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    Exactly.

    To tell the truth, I would be a little concerned if the GOP nominated a moderate like Christie.

    He might have a chance of winning.

    That's why I thank God for the **********s.

    They are the reason I can sleep at night, secure in the knowledge that they are on guard and ready to blow any electable Republican Presidential Candidate right out of the water in the primaries.

    I want them on that Wall!

    I need them on that Wall!

    [​IMG]
     
  9. justoneman

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    How is a moderate Republican going to beat out a Democrat in a "who gives me the most free stuff" game?
     
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    Chris Christie would not last to Super Tuesday--and probably not past South Carolina. I find it amusing that the left has deemed him the very best kind of republican, have made him the presumptive nominee, and have beaten him 3 years early. Why even bother having elections?
     
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    Which is kinda ironic when you consider how much Reagan and Obama have in common opinion-wise.
     
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    I knew I could count on you!
     
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    Republican candidates such as Chris Christie and all the rest of them would be mere token candidates. None of them would expect to win against whatever Democrat candidate Obama endorses (and it might be Newark mayor Cory Booker, not Hillary).

    Nevertheless, some Republicans will decide to run just for the publicity and the marketable political value. Christie, for example, if he runs, the publicity would allow him to get and charge higher fees for public speaking engagements; ghostwrite and hawk his books; appear on talk-show circuits; and make appearances on Fox.
     
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    The Republicans could decide to switch it up and go with a Fidel Castro kind of a candidate. Then the Republicans could surely beat any Democrat.
     
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    Consisting of the fact that if they keep up this up, then nothing is going to get done, and that is bad for everyone.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    That doesn't make any sense. Bush senior was a moderate, Bob Dole was a moderate, Bush junior ran as a moderate on all issues except for the social ones, McCain and Romney were moderates. "Acting Conservative" doesn't mean they aren't moderates.
     
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    Dude, I'm from Florida too. He won the governorship as a Republican, so Republicans voted for him. I'd dare say you didn't vote for him and didn't think he "represented all the people," when he was a Republican governor. So the only reason you are praising him now is because he's now a Democrat, after having a hissy fit from losing the primary to another candidate who made a better case than Crist did.
     
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    No they weren't moderate. They were conservatives. Tax breaks, government is bad ideology, a balanced budget amendment isn't moderate. Now in Mitten's case,he had to act like he was a hardline conservative. After all, when you have the tea party bloc, you're going to need to support some of their positions in order to win. Thus the image of a conservative was born, and he won the primaries. But you can't be a conservative to win elections. Thus his image as a conservative conflicted with the need to be a moderate.
     
  19. Lil Mike

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    OK so you don't even know what terms like moderate or conservative even mean. Gotcha.
     
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    And the award for adressing my points goes to...
     

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