Why did Stalin kill gays?

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  1. Anobsitar

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    Stalin was a mad cruel man - that's all. 6 million died on hunger while Stalin exported milllions tons of wheat in 1932/33. More than 1.5 millions were executed or died in prisons or in deportations in the years 1931-1940.

    By the way - do you know what Hitler wrote once? " ... Hate as a factor in the struggle, intransigent hatred for the enemy that takes one beyond the natural limitations of a human being and converts one into an effective, violent, selective, cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be like that; a people without hate cannot triumph over a brutal enemy." ... "We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be; make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline. He will even become more beastly, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to appear." ...

    Indeed this words were not from Hitler but from Che Guevara. He's a similiar criminal - not an hero. Death and hate are not really solutions - life, love and hope are a much better way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUDs8KJc_c
     
  2. Anobsitar

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    Example: Catholics in Europe are often "right wing" politicians (if they are politicians at all) - Catholics in America are often "left wing" politicians (if ... ). That's maybe because they are absolutelly the same Catholics.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK7ioZHVRS4
     
  3. Anobsitar

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    And what is a Christian Theocrat in the USA?

    Countries with death penalty:

    •Afghanistan
    •Antigua and Barbuda
    •Bahamas
    •Bahrain
    •Bangladesh
    •Barbados
    •Belarus
    •Belize
    •Botswana
    •Chad
    •China (People's Republic)
    •Comoros
    •Congo (Democratic Republic)
    •Cuba
    •Dominica
    •Egypt
    •Equatorial Guinea
    •Ethiopia
    •Guatemala
    •Guinea
    •Guyana
    •India
    •Indonesia
    •Iran
    •Iraq
    •Jamaica
    •Japan
    •Jordan
    •Kuwait
    •Lebanon
    •Lesotho
    •Libya
    •Malaysia
    •Mongolia
    •Nigeria
    •North Korea
    •Oman
    •Pakistan
    •Palestinian Authority
    •Qatar
    •St. Kitts and Nevis
    •St. Lucia
    •St. Vincent and the Grenadines
    •Saudi Arabia
    •Singapore
    •Somalia
    •South Sudan
    •Sudan
    •Syria
    •Taiwan
    •Thailand
    •Trinidad and Tobago
    •Uganda
    •United Arab Emirates
    •United States
    •Vietnam
    •Yemen
    •Zimbabwe

    I hear Imanuel laughing - no - not this Imanuel. Immanuel Kant. Poor enlightenment.

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  4. Anobsitar

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    You said "Hitler was right " and you are still alive because the jewish national-international capitalistic-communistic world conspiracy did not kill you? That's the way it is if you're an unliving undead. Warning: Don't take the stake out of your heart - maybe this causes a paradox.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ35SOU9HTM
     
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    First of all, click the quote to see the full context (which is the point of my signature). Second of all, it's sad but I don't know whether or not you're serious. :/
     
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    that guy puts a link on all his posts and i aint opened it once, either.

    notice the name A nob sit ar?

    Ever read his posts?

    No one takes him serious!
     
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    The American government is based on secularism, which is entirely independent from religion.

    Biggest Christian Denominations in the US: Baptist (25%), Evangelical Nondenominational Protestant (26%), Pentecostal (9%)

    Catholics make up 22% and Lutherans 5%.

    So actually I'm pretty sure YOU don't know about the positions of Christians in the USA.

    If you are too lazy to read the links I gave, that is your problem.

    You are lying. I provided sources to back up my claim. You provided nothing to back up yours.

    At this point I can safely assume that you are just being an apologist who is Lying for Jesus.
     
  8. Questerr

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    Is the problem that you don't understand what a theocracy is?

    Christian Theocrats want the Bible to the basis for all laws.


    I went through and highlighted all the countries with majority Christian populations for you.
     
  9. Antitheist

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    Hello,

    I don't know too much about it, however, I can say that when it comes to dictatorship or authoritarianism, any difference is seen as a threat. In other words, under dictatorship, most people will tend to conform very strongly, to sort of make themselves invisible or be totally integrated with the group (who the dictator is the head of). Just look at North Korea.

    So, I could see homosexuals being persecuted, because they would represent a part of society that was not being properly "ruled." In other words, this freedom of expression would be a threat to the power structure.

    On a second note, Hitler was into eugenics theory, which was based on Darwinism and was completely atheistic. This is based on some idea of "natural perfection" based on the ability to survive, or natural superiority. So, Stalin may have prescribed to this in some way, and seen homosexuals as an evolutionary aberation, or inferior from an evolutionary perspective, especially since they do not serve the role of reproduction and contributing more members to the group.
     
  10. Anobsitar

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    Short: No Christian "supports" death penalty against gays. I never heard such a nonsense before you said so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDg1b7hzcKM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvmtbmWsutw
     
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    Is there some reason to believe it would be different than anywhere else? A theocrat is simply a proponent of theocratic government. What about this concept is giving you so much trouble in understanding?


    Not sure why you posted this. People are not always in agreement with their government's laws. In Brazil, for instance, a very large country dominated by Christians, opinion polls until fairly recently regularly showed a majority in favour of death penalties being brought back.

    Thanks for making my point that you often make no point.
     
  12. Questerr

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    You are lying. American Christian Domionists and Reconstructionists have supported the death penalty for gays.

    I have shown evidence to back me up. You have shown nothing.

    You clearly know nothing about the opinions or beliefs of American Christians.
     
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    Is this you committing the No True Scotsman logical fallacy, or do you actually, and quite wrongly, believe that no person exists who is a proponent of death for gays while still believing in Christ?
     
  14. Anobsitar

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    You can do it here too

    Death Penalty Outlawed [year]

    •Albania [2000]
    •Andorra [1990]
    •Angola [1992]
    •Argentina [2008]
    •Armenia [2003]
    •Australia [1984]
    •Austria [1950]
    •Azerbaijan [1998]
    •Belgium [1996]
    •Bhutan [2004]
    •Bosnia-Herzegovina [1997]
    •Bulgaria [1998]
    •Burundi [2009 ]
    •Cambodia [1989]
    •Canada [1976]
    •Cape Verde [1981]
    •Colombia [1910]
    •Cook Islands [2007]
    •Costa Rica [1877]
    •Côte d'Ivoire [2000]
    •Croatia [1990]
    •Cyprus [1983a]
    •Czech Republic [1990]
    •Denmark [1933]
    •Djibouti [1995]
    •Dominican Republic [1966]
    •Ecuador [1906]
    •Estonia [1998]
    •Finland [1949]
    •France [1981]
    •Gabon [2010]
    •Georgia [1997]
    •Germany [1949]
    •Greece [1993]
    •Guinea-Bissau [1993]
    •Haiti [1987]
    •Honduras [1956]
    •Hungary [1990]
    •Iceland [1928]
    •Ireland [1990]
    •Italy [1947]
    •Kyrgyzstan [2007]
    •Kiribati [1979]
    •Latvia [2012]
    •Liechtenstein [1987]
    •Lithuania [1998]
    •Luxembourg [1979]
    •Macedonia [1991]
    •Malta [1971]
    •Marshall Islands [1986]
    •Mauritius [1995]
    •Mexico [2005]
    •Micronesia [1986]
    •Moldova [1995]
    •Monaco [1962]
    •Montenegro [2002]
    •Mozambique [1990]
    •Namibia [1990]
    •Nepal [1990]
    •Netherlands [1870]
    •New Zealand [1961]
    •Nicaragua [1979]
    •Niue [n.a.]
    •Norway [1905]
    •Palau [n.a.]
    •Panama [1903]
    •Paraguay [1992]
    •Philippines [2006]
    •Poland [1997]
    •Portugal [1867]
    •Romania [1989]
    •Rwanda [2007]
    •Samoa [2004]
    •San Marino [1848]
    •São Tomé and Príncipe [1990]
    •Senegal [2004]
    •Serbia [2002]
    •Seychelles [1993]
    •Slovakia [1990]
    •Slovenia [1989]
    •Solomon Islands [1966]
    •South Africa [1995]
    •Spain [1978]
    •Sweden [1921]
    •Switzerland [1942]
    •Timor-Leste [1999]
    •Togo [2009]
    •Turkey [2002]
    •Turkmenistan [1999]
    •Tuvalu [1978]
    •Ukraine [1999]
    •United Kingdom [1973]
    •Uruguay [1907]
    •Uzbekistan [2008]
    •Vanuatu [1980]
    •Vatican City [1969]
    •Venezuela [1863]


    Death Penalty Outlawed for Ordinary Crimes [year]

    •Bolivia [1997]
    •Brazil [1979]
    •Chile [2001]
    •El Salvador [1983]
    •Fiji [1979]
    •Israel [1954]
    •Kazakhstan [2007]
    •Latvia [1999]
    •Peru [1979]


    De Facto Ban on Death Penalty [year]

    •Algeria [1993]
    •Benin [1987]
    •Brunei [1957]
    •Burkina Faso [1988]
    •Cameroon [1997]
    •Central African Republic [1981]
    •Congo [Republic] [1982]
    •Eritrea [n.a.]
    •Gambia [1981]
    •Ghana [n.a.]
    •Grenada [1978]
    •Kenya [n.a.]
    •Korea, South [1997.]
    •Laos [n.a.]
    •Liberia [n.a.]
    •Madagascar [1958]
    •Malawi [n.a.]
    •Maldives [1952]
    •Mali [1980]
    •Mauritania [1987]
    •Morocco [1993]
    •Myanmar [1993]
    •Nauru [1968]
    •Niger [1976]
    •Papua New Guinea [1950]
    •Russia [1999]
    •Sierra Leone [1998]
    •Sri Lanka [1976]
    •Suriname [1982]
    •Swaziland [n.a.]
    •Tajikistan [n.a.]
    •Tanzania [n.a.]
    •Tonga [1982]
    •Tunisia [1990]
    •Zambia [n.a.]

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    Bad influence from the USA.

    Aha

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    Again: No Christian "supports" death penalty against gays. That's nonsense. Nonsense becomes not true only because you don't know who a Scotsman is.

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    You really don't know how to debate honestly do you?

    You claimed that Christians oppose the death penalty and then posted a list of nations with the death penalty, about a 3rd of which have majority Christian populations.

    Just admit that you were wrong.
     
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    Again. There are Christians who support death to gays. You don't get to decide what being a Christian means, any more than I get to decide what being a Scotsman means. If you have trouble coping with this reality then may I suggest you refrain from posting about it.
     
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    As I understand it, the only requirement for someone to be a Christian is that accept that Jesus is their savior and Lord.

    Are you saying that you have to accept that Jesus is Lord AND oppose the death penalty to be Christian? Does that mean that no one prior to the death penalty becoming unpopular around 50 years was a Christian?
     
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    Because like most dictators, it is easy to make scapegoats of minorities and turn the civilian populations dis-satisfaction with the regime to instead focus on jews and homosexuals and liberals and seventh day adventists and.......anyone else who is an easy target.

    And like all bullys- its best if its someone perceived as unlikely to fight back.
     
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    The last time capital punishment was used in Australia was the hanging of Ronald Ryan in 1967. Between 1967 and 1984 the death penality had been given on a few occasions but always commuted to a life sentence.

    In 1984 capital punishment was removed as a form of punishment from the Australian legal system.
     
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    I don't debate. I say what I think - that's all.

    Did I? ... Whatever ...

    So what? What has this to do with the government of this states or the influence of the english colonialism or the influence of the current american empire or the influence of political ideologies or ... ? Why do you think for example „Cuba“ is a christian nation?

    That's by the way the full list of your 'christian' nations with death penalty:

    •Antigua and Barbuda
    •Bahamas
    •Barbados
    •Belarus
    •Belize
    •Botswana
    •Congo (Democratic Republic)
    •Cuba
    •Dominica
    •Guatemala
    •Guinea
    •Guyana
    •Jamaica
    •St. Kitts and Nevis
    •St. Lucia
    •St. Vincent and the Grenadines
    •Trinidad and Tobago
    •Uganda
    •United States
    •Zimbabwe

    So what? Wether I am wrong or not is not important. Death penalty is wrong since it became very clear that it is not any longer a valid instrument of self-defense - that's the main problem. I don't know why the USA went in regresses in case of the questions on this deep wound of the american lifestyle.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JJ9PJp70kM

    Good grieve - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JJ9PJp70kM - what has this to do with the christian religion? Nothing! Everyone can found a "church", everyone can call himselve "pastor" and everyone can say whatever he likes to say and use the word "christian". Again: No Christian supports death penalty for gays. That's nonsense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGLGJV01C0Q
     
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    So you decide who's Christian and who's not?
     

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