Why Do Democrats Question Democracy?

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  1. independentthinker

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    I've heard a lot about attacks on voting rights, voting suppression, and gerrymandering lately, not to mention Texas's and other state's recent new laws on abortions. But, all of this has been done by democracy. States passed laws using the democratic process. They democratically passed these laws through democracy - laws regarding voting, drawing congressional lines, and abortion. They weren't done by government decrees by dictator types. And yet democrats have been questioning democracy itself while hypocritically trying to claim that the other side is trying to take democracy away, even though pretty much everything they have done has been through using the democratic process. Why do democrats question democracy? Why do democrats question elections and the election process? Why can they question democracy, elections, and the election process but the other side can't?
     
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    isn't "democracy/" another name for mob rule? two wolves and a sheep? remember?
     
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    A classic straw man, do you think you can approach the topic without him?
     
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    Two non responses.
    The left will have a hard time reconciling this one.
     
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    What the democrats are really questioning is the constitution itself. They are questioning representative democracy beyond the House of Representatives. They are questioning our republican form of government and federalism. They resent all the protections of the constitution for the minority when they are in the majority. Thus their assault upon the filibuster, the electoral college, the Supreme Court, the Presidency when they don’t win it. and the way the senate was formed.
     
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    Yes, it's true, a nation can become un-democratic via democratic means.

    No system is perfect, including democracy, but that doesn't mean when undemocratic forces are gaming the system for autocratic ends, we shouldn't sound the alarm.

    That isn't hypocrisy, that is the desire to preserve democracy and there is no other way to do it than to make a lot of noise and persuade voters to vote the the anti-democratic politicians out of office.
     
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    I just did, piece of cake.
     
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    You offered up your usual emotional platitudes
     
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    So, are you saying you want mob rule?
     
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    I'm very well aware of that. Democrats have shown over the last five years that they wish to use democracy as a means of overturning democracy while simultaneously trying to claim Republicans are trying to take democracy away.That's why they want to get rid of Trump, eliminate the filibuster to pass whatever the hell they want so they can add blue states to the Union and seats to the Supreme Court in order to use democracy to permanently stay in power.
     
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    Both parties have made moves to consolidate power - it's pure hypocrisy to claim otherwise.
     
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    And I'm guessing you call Jan 6 respect for democracy.
     
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    Hitler was elected and then took total control of Germany, using purely democratic means.
     
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    They only attack election integrity when they lose.
    They only claim that election integrity cannot be question when they win.
    They are back to questioning election integrity because they know they are going to lose.

    "FORMER STAFFER FOR ELECTION-DENIER GOES TO FEC": Biden picks ex-Stacey Abrams staffer for FEC.
     
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    I recall an election and multiple efforts to illegally change the outcome including violence at the capital.
    I think people will have a hard time reconsiling this. I think the only reason they were questioning the election integrity (and continue to do so) is they lost.
     
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    Just because an official is elected does not mean said official is given the authority to rule outside of the legal boundaries of the US constitution.
     
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    I agree BUT it is the left who claim that the other side is trying to take democracy away when they are actually doing it themselves, every chance they get.
     
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    What is it with you guys? The fact is, democrats are trying to take democracy away just as much or more than Republicans.
     
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    Can you speak in English please? I'm saying that Democrats have accused Republicans of taking our democracy away and yet everything Republicans have done is through democracy. That doesn't jive. Why are democrats questioning democracy?
     
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    And the parallels 100 years later are disturbing as heck.
     
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    You are ignoring how the Trump Republicans have responded since the 2020 POTUS election cycle. The democrats are mere reaching to how the Trump Party has behaved regarding the election process and voting. REMEMBER, not one court case brought by those that support and believe The Big Lie could meet the evidentiary requirements of a US court room. So yes, you assertion is based on a flawed premise, hence, a strawman gaslight.
     
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    Because they should, and so should you more than that. We should question our Republic. Whether it should be more or less democratic, and we should question what it has been, is, and will be.

    It's the way of thinking human beings to do so always, and the day that is no longer acceptable or allowed is the day your democracy dies.
     
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    Because "democrat" is another word for marxist.
     
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    No. The reason the results are questioned are:
    • Unconstitutional changes to voting made by appointees rather than the legislature.
    • Several States going dark while counting and having midnight dumps of ballots that were just enough to put Biden over the top.
    • Massive increase in mail in voting without the voter being positively identified as legitimate prior to separating the vote from the signature card.
    • GOP observers being blocked and locked out.
    • GOP observers were tricked into leaving and then trucks of ballots were pulled out from under tables.
    It was a deliberately tainted election, and in the service of an outcome to the benefit of Democrats.

    Poll: 59% of Americans believe cheating occurred in the ...
    And then to top it off he is a mean nasty vulgar name calling race baiting dunce that's only intermittently cognizant.

    Not to worry, we'll update the Congressional results shortly and the presidential results two years after that.
     
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    Your claims:
    1. Rejected by courts over and over.
    2. No if absentee ballots were count after other ballots as states claim this would be the result. Also rejected by courts.
    3. increase in mail in voting is not illegal and is to be expected during an epidemic. Part 2 has been stated but is not proven also rejected in the courts.
    4. All observers ate alloted space they had to observe. If counting is stopped for a break observers are never left in a room with the ballots. Also rejected in court cases.
    5. Not true no evidence of this happening never even made it into court. The trucks of ballots was found to be untrue.

    Your turn:
    Why has every court challenge to the 2020 election been rejected in a court of law?
    Why did Trump's Attourney General say he could not find any problems with the election?
    Why have none of the investigations found any concrete evidence of cheating in any state.
    Why have none of the investigations, especially Arizona, produced a report of their findings?
    Why has the Arizona investigation refused to obey a court order to make their findings public?
    Why have there been no complaints except in states that the Former President lost?
    Why did the Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank, record only 6 instances of fraud or attempted fraud in the 2020 election for national candidates. Why were four of those instances Republicans?
     

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