Why Do Democrats Question Democracy?

If it gives them advantage, it's a good thing. If they don't get advantage- it's a bad thing. Fair is a bad thing, because it doesn't provide advantage.
That's pretty much the entire standard of right and wrong here. Seems to be the limit of the dems conceptual capacity.

 

Republicans are the ones trying to change the Electoral Voting Act so no one can try what Trump tried and the Dems are preventing it. Do you support that or not?

 

As the Dems are trying to do in the Senate.

Where are minority voting rights be taken away and where are the lawsuits and courts saying it is. What voting laws only apply to blacks and not whites?

 

Democracy in as a form of government or state and local elections? If the latter where are Republican's questioning that and why? What are you talking about?

 

Once again, it is the election itself that is the democratic process, and NOT what the politician does after the election. By the logic you're using, opposing anything that any elected official does is against the democratic process.

 

You guys were questioning the 2020 election before it even started.

 

Yep that is indeed cons mentality.

 

please explain what repubs are doing to prevent Trump from trying to steal the election again?

 

My understanding is that Trump was being contacted by GOP Legislatures that wanted to do a deeper review of the election certifications, but the Democrat governors would not call them back into session. Trump's apparent solution, based on the 12th amendment, which frankly could more clearly define the VP's role, was for Pence to hand down a ruling that that the State Legislatures be given an opportunity to verify their results. As for your question, what have the Republicans done, Pence, backed by the majority of the Republicans in both Houses, refused. The Supreme Court, likely majority Republican, refused to hear any of the cases.

If the State Legislatures were uncertain of their election winner, they needed to resolve that BEFORE they certified their electors. Once the State Legislatures certified at least 270 electors for Biden, Biden was for all intents and purposes, President Elect. The State Legislatures are entrusted with a momentous task, they get one shot at it, each election, and no, they don't get a mulligan. This was a difficult message to send them, and the price for sending it is four years of a demented fool backed up by a kackling klown, but the alternative was complete chaos. Can you imagine if VP Pence had set the precedent that VP Harris can essentially stop an election, and remember, if the House can't determine who won by inauguration day, the current VP becomes acting President until either the House can determine who the President is or the Senate can determine who the VP is (and at that point the incoming VP is acting President until the House can determine who the President is.

Can you imagine what a VP Harris could have done with that, or VP Al Gore, or God forbid if Obama had chosen Hillary to be his VP?

Trump's deal with his base was always WE COME FIRST, and to me it seemed that he lost sight of that during the post election, which cost us both GA races and the Senate Majority, and thank goodness for Joe Manchin and Sinema, or holy crap we could have even worse inflation, PR and DC statehood and a packed supreme court. As it is we have no say in Breyer's replacement but, Trump put us at risk for much much worse.

It's time to move on. If Congress wants to try to clean up the 1877 ECV counting act, they are free to do so, but the precedent set by VP Pence, VP Gore and VP Nixon along with the message SCOTUS sent the State Legislatures is probably sufficient.

 

yes, I agree, good republicans stopped Trump from stealing the election

what I was asking is what laws have repubs passed that will prevent them needing good republicans to stop this is future

many states are getting rid of all the good republicans that stopped Trump, that is sad

 

Was there a referendum on abortion in Texas that I didn't hear about .. one hitting the 2/3rds majority bar neccessary ?

Don't think so .. think you are pulling my leg mate.

 

He viewed it as being stolen from him, and interestingly I saw some recent polling that showed that about 60% of the public agreed with him and overwhelming majorities support the voting procedures reforms that will ensure we don't have another questionable election like 2020. The problem, in my view, and I already explained this, is that once the State Legislatures certified their electors, the matter was done.

Several State legislatures have reordered their election security measures and made sure they recovered their rightful control over elections that rogue officials wrested from them. Either WI or MI ruled that measures that violated the Legislatures instructions were illegal, and a PA court ruled that the changes to voting procedures were unconstitutional. As for Federal Lawmakers, I've already answered that a well, the problem is a lack of clarity in the 12th amendment, and you can't alter the constitution with legislation it requires a constitutional amendment, further, three recent VP 's have ruled on election controversies in a consistent manner; Pence, Gore, and Nixon that's likely sufficient. If there is a problem with a state election, the State legislature needs to resolve it, once they submit a slate, that will be the slate counted.

No they aren't. Trump's effort was stopped by Pence, no one is getting rid of Pence and the few Republicans that are in trouble and there are very few of them compared to the multitudes of Democrats that are in trouble, and in the cases of both the Republican and many many Democrats that are in trouble, it's for the same reason, they are not listening to and heeding the voice of their constituents. To the Trump obsessed, everything is about Trump. In the real world, there is very little today that is about Trump.

So why are so many Democrats questioning Democracy, probably because they have a massive loss coming. Rather than blame shift, they should squarely face the fact that they have not been listening to their constituents and resolve to do better in the future. How bad is it?

Much of the country is now either Republican, Republican leaning Independents or Republican-curious.

Defund "the police, the destruction of the oil and gas industry, and the policy-driven chaos at the southern border" everyone knows which party backed these crazy policies. Dems have no faction that vocally supports the Second Amendment or anyone with a pro-life voting record anymore. That's a big change for Democrats, historically they had both. Dems aren't in step with the nation and barely even in synch with the democrat party as a whole. A new Marist poll "shows that even 49% of Democrats (71% of all Americans) want abortion limited to the first three months of pregnancy at most" which is the standard for nearly all of Europe and the rest of the Western World.

"All this economic and social destruction, combined with an insistence on moral positions directly in conflict with what many Catholic and Evangelical Hispanics believe, is part of why Hispanic voters around the country—Glenn Youngkin won them in Virginia—are shifting and a “brutal reckoning” faces Democrats with regard to this demographic."

"North Las Vegas Mayor John Lee, another pro-life, pro-gun Democrat, just announced that he too was migrating to the Republican Party. After 25 years he is leaving—not just because of two issues, but because he sees the Democrats as no longer even remotely concerned with ordinary people. “The working class, or working men and women of this country, and also the small business owners are not a part of the conversation anymore,” he said, referring to his old party. “It all has to do with the elitists and it has to do with the socialists. That is not the agenda that I have in mind for this country of the future.”

https://amac.us/can-the-gop-take-advantage-of-its-big-opportunity/

Nor many of the rest of us.

 

some people "want" to believe the big lie, doesn't mean they believe it

Manson's followers wanted to believe he was innocent too, there will always be some that want to drink the Kool-Aid

they lost, time to get over it

 

That's not responsive to the rather excellent points I made in my post you just replied to. Now, I thought my post was a decent post, not the best I've ever seen, but all my friends tell me that it was a really really marvelous post, even a perfect post, and believe me, they don't say that lightly, I'm embarrassed somewhat to even repeat it, because I'm truly a very modest guy. You should probably reread it, but that's up to you, I don't sweat stuff like that. I sure am looking forward to the elections this year though, how about you?

 

midterms always suck for the party in power, look what happened to Trump and Obama - expect will be same for Biden

 

Actually he took control using the Enabling Act, basically an Act of Parliament dissolving itself and saying laws could be passed without Parliamentary consent or even input.

 

I don't. I'm just saying that the right gets attacked by the left for questioning democracy and elections and yet THEY do it all the time.

 

If you pass laws democratically using the democratic process, then that is democracy. Why do the left question democracy?

 

The left question democracy and elections but refuse to let the right question democracy and elections.

 

It works like this. You vote in your representatives. They make or change laws. If you like what they have done then you vote for them again. If you don't like what they have done then you vote for someone else next time. That's how democracy works.

You guys yourself have wanted to get rid of the Senate filibuster and the electoral college claiming that, like in the House, a simple majority of 50.1% should allow that majority to ram through anything and everything they want, to hell with the other 49.9%. And yet, when it comes to red states, you refuse to accept that very same premise where a simple majority of 50.1% can cram through anything and everything they want, to hell with the other 49.9%. Which way do you want it? You can't have it both ways, only benefitting yourselves.

 

Who is "You Guys" ? What a joke of a comment .hopelessly unable to defend your position so make up a strawman ... in attempt to demonize the messenger.

And you have no clue how things are supposed to work .. The constitution- founding principles - of our constitutional republic is supposed to protect you from those you elect and against "Tyranny of the Majority"

 

LOL. I know how things work. Recent elections have shown us how things work. Even Democrats are jumping off the ship because even they know how the midterm elections are going to work. This is all about the hypocrisy of the left attacking the right for questioning democracy and elections while they do the very same thing. Every time they lose they question democracy and the electoral process.

All I want is the for left to own up to it. Most of the country is red and, therefore, those state democracies make the laws the majority of their people want and then the left claim that states using the democratic process are taking democracy away. What an effing joke.

 

I appreciate you sharing that, I'm going to tuck that fact away to remember the next time I'm frustrated at conflict between our President and Congress. Imagine a Congress so aligned with the President that they dissolve themselves and grant him their power! If I'm understanding your point, that's is at least a sense of what occurred in Germany that allowed Hitler to take unchecked control of a very powerful state and align it with his madness.

 

Proof please.

 

Why all the BS? Can't you make a case for your views without misrepresenting the views of your opponents?