Why do so many on the left hate success?

I remember the old version of this game. It was called "spot the bad black man" and the righties on here played it with Obama as the subject.

Remember when they were blaming Obama because during his terms gas prices had risen above the $1.80 average that they were at when he took office, a direct result of the market collapse during Bush's tenure?

 

Never said inheritance was the ONLY way to get rich. Often, wealth is actually a combination of hard work, skill, luck and inheritance.

I'd just appreciate if people were honest about it. I can respect someone who openly acknowledges that they got a leg up through inheritance. Myself, my late parents left me and my sister a considerable sum, which is about 1/3 of my net worth. They also helped me buying my first house. It won't make me super rich, but it contributes to me sleeping well at night, having to worry less about a safe retirement.

On the other hand, I can't respect someone who claims that he is a self-made billionaire, when all the data point to the fact that most of the money came from daddy. In my view, this is why Trump has such an inferiority complex, because deep down he knows where his "success" came from.

 

Horse ****. Mostly has to do with bureaucratic over burden not taxes.

 

Actually, I think it is an excellent example of why those people should pay taxes...to support the roads and bridges and police and fire fighters.

Like the other 'lefties' on this forum, I will say that I don't hate the wealthy either. I simply feel that they should pay more in taxes than those who are struggling. That, to me, is just common sense.

 

While it is true that within any group, political or otherwise, there is a wide variety in the level of values- it is also true to say that they are defined by common ones. The values have more to do with attitudes than objectives, more to do with how they seek a goal than what the goal is. For example, most people want to be wealthy- and while some carefully construct a financial plan and follow it through to achieve that goal, others believe that it's simply unfair that others have more than they do, and wealth should be redistributed to them. These are the people likely to hate the wealthy, because they see wealth they don't have as being stolen by the wealthy- otherwise, they would have an equal share. It's the difference between mature, responsible adult perception and immature, irresponsible juvenile perception- and the failure to accept the responsibility and consequences of your own decisions in your own life. It is the acceptance of that responsibility that is the key to a person having power over their own lives and destiny, and much more. If you do not accept that, you have little or no power, and see yourself as a victim of what others control.

Thus we have people with comparable values that believe they are responsible for their own lives and satisfaction through their decisions; they don't blame others for what they do. When they think change is necessary, they make that change for themselves because they know they alone have the power. They adapt to world social or economic changes, just as one would to weather. These tend to group as "conservatives", and are usually republican or independent in their political view.

We also have people with comparable values who hold society responsible for their personal lives and satisfaction. They do blame others, and they feel they have no power to change things- so change for their life is seen as the responsibility of society or parts of society. They lack the power to determine their future because they can't accept responsibility for their own decisions- thus they have no power over their own lives, except to try to force others to make changes that benefit them. "Somebody make the world be fair to me" sums it up. That winds up as pressure on government, and hate for those who are notably more productive and successful, and do have control of their own lives.

These two general profiles also define the difference between capitalism and socialism. More and more, that is becoming the difference between republicans, who have always supported capitalism, and democrats- who are shifting to socialism more every day.

The bottom line of all this is that the principles of capitalism work very well- but only for those who participate in it. Not just corporations, but individuals that realize that they too are trading goods and services for value, just as the businesses are- and take responsibility for managing their productivity and finances, just as the businesses must do. At the same time, capitalism generates enough wealth that it has always been a strong source of charity for those in genuine need. Capitalism is a principle of building, creating not only wealth but jobs, homes, products and services- all the things that create our standard of living, and it builds for the future.

At the same time, the people who lean toward socialism want the benefits that capitalism produces- but object to the principles that make capitalism work. It labors under the illusion that wealth is a finite thing, like the number of apples on a tree- and should be distributed rather than grown; the idea of planting your own tree does not make sense. Basically, socialism is always based on unequal responsibility, where those who will must carry those who won't. While that has been seen as shameful for centuries in most cultures, it has existed in a number of countries. Now, it's taking hold of the democratic politics in America. Socialism is the principle of living off others that have more- but it discourages and punishes excellence and performance. It thrives on dependence; it is threatened by independence and freedom. It thrives in weakness and it promotes weakness- thus it is self-perpetuating as well as self-destructive. It consumes rather than builds, and unfortunately leaves the future something like a train wreck.

The nature of politics has always caused some aspects of socialism to become integrated into our system. As that is under constant pressure to increase and the economic stresses it introduces take their toll; one of which comes in the form of national debt- worst of all the creation of debt that will heavily burden those yet unborn in our future, who have no say at all. That is an injustice that we should all be ashamed of.

Sadly, we are dealing with this conflict in principles, and it is at a dangerous stage. It's not something new- it's something that has grown of of our good intentions of the last few generations, a desire to make life better for our children by doing for them instead of teaching them to do for themselves. Big mistake; for no man is truly happy in dependence and weakness- just resentful, unfulfilled- and fearful. Worst of all, socialism requires that it's believers abandon the very principles that give men self-respect- and without that, he is no longer a man.

Others have said it much more succinctly than I-

“You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.”

Abraham Lincoln

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but like so many paranoid ravings about things going on in plain sight, the game is indeed over.........but it's your game.

 

Ah yes, the socialist bogeyman. It's been telegraphed for months this will be one of the, if not the biggest, focuses of GOP fear mongering as we head towards the 2020 elections.

 

You see it on both sides of populism, mostly on the left but on the right as well (just mention Soros, or Buffett, or Bezos, or Zuck to a rightie in this regard).

Personally, I have no problem with such success so long as it is collected honestly. Ideally it involves a value-add, but I really don't care about people who make their wealth without a value-add, such as through clever investments or through inheritance, so long it is (once again) the subject of an honest exchange. Once you start defrauding your customers or investors (see Trump University), that's where I draw the line.

 

we act on impulse and humans impulse is to just take what you want from those who have it.

I have a few examples of what it takes to become a millionaire. I have friend who is a producer in Miami, he started from nothing. The guy was working late nights, through weekends, trying to promote himself, promote the musicians he represents, working extremely hard making sure concerts are managed properly. He had issues with anxiety, needed to be on medication and his parents and friends are always worried about him. The guy works like an animal, is under a lot of stress and always worrying about finances, some decisions he makes about what to do with the money create a lot of anxiety. He's a millionaire now, took him about 5-10 years to get there!

Another friend was a guy making a respectable salary in a technology company, was making approx 120-150k. He had always dreamed of creating his own tech company and was always planning for it, every day thinking about how he could it be successful. One day he told me he's quitting and pursuing his dream. I didn't hear from him for about 1 year, ran into him for coffee, he mentioned he was struggling, that he had spent his personal savings, working on making sure he has a accountant, a legal person and developers which he was outsourcing from India and some in US. He told me he was losing money and that he was desperately trying to secure clients, otherwise he wasn't going to be able to succeed. He felt optimistic about his company and what it offered but was going through stress and was working like an animal... A few years later, i ran into him again and he mentioned the company was doing well, he was able to get a few medium sized clients and he was at least generating revenue. 5 years later, a friend of mine ran into him and guess what, he mentioned he now employed around 50 people and his company is estimated at a value of 50-75 million!!!!!

Both these guys may drive around in an expensive car and own a 5k sq foot house in an upscale neighborhood, a poor person may see them driving around and hurl expletives at them 'f rich ******'... That's the world we live in. Projection, lack of holding oneself accountable for failures and wanting to take or have what you don't deserve. The democrats feed into this and create an environment where this type of dangerous way of thinking is almost encouraged.

 

Maybe god just selects people for success based on their faith.

Trump fires up religious critics with job for televangelist
White is a televangelist who has sparked division among fellow Christians over her association with the so-called “prosperity gospel,” an assertion that God rewards believers with personal as well as financial success.
https://apnews.com/407fc27d402145ab9dcb62cc0d4bf40c

 

why is it that all democrats attack the millionaires? every debate, every day. Did you ever hear any of the 10+ republican candidates in 2016 go on these rich people hating tirades during their debates?

now tell me this, why would the democrats seeking office run their campaigns attacking the rich if they didn't think a large portion of the left would find it appealing?

and why don't republican candidates do the same?

who has all the votes in inner cities, the drug infested thug infested areas of Chicago, Detroit, baltimore?

There is your answer. Most of those who hate success and self made millionaires are on the left and most of the inner cities lean left. Your argument that it's not 100% left or right is a classic straw man.

 

Trump does do the same. Read what he has said about Bezos and, well, every rich person who has ever criticized him.

 

straw man. Not all on the left hate successful rich people but the vast majority of Americans who hate capitalism, successful millionaires are on the left. You know it, i know it and this is why virtually every democratic candidate run their campaign based on attacks on the rich.

That is very true. I know people who have modest means and are very happy raising a family and living a life of integrity, character. So you are right, success in life is not just measured on how much $$ you make but i guess my specific focus is not success in life as a whole but success making money, so it's a narrow focus. The fact is that many on the left who never worked very hard, never had the talent, never took the risks, hate those who did and want to take from them.

 

nothing of note when it comes to fixing tax laws, healthcare, immigration. Instead, garbage like green new deal - a radical ridiculous and crazy idea. Witch hunts... one after the other. First the Russia Hoax, then trying to get his financial records, tax records, the whole silly Stormy Daniels thing, now Ukraine.. and all this women who make bogus allegations. This congress has become a disgrace...

You talk about all the things they are doing but remember this, a big part of what congress is supposed to do is not just pass laws but sell it to American people. I never hear the democrats take to TV talking about what they are trying to do on immigration, healthcare, tax system etc... Instead, they go to TV to discuss witch hunts and impeachment. They are not doing their jobs, the American people need to stop voting into office people that do nothing and just divide along the lines of race, economic means, gender, religious beliefs etc... We really need to drain the swamp!

 

For the last 50 years, bureaucracy has been steadily diminishing.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...cutive-branch-civilian-employment-since-1940/ has

Exactly the same time period in which the social mobility that you mentioned, has become more difficult. So if you are saying that we need more bureaucracy, you might have a point.

The other thing that has been changing is the steady shift of the tax burden from the rich to the middle class.

So one of those things... maybe both... are the problem.

 

MOST millionaires are self made, this is just a fact.

The richest people in the world - Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos. They got their billions from 'daddy'?

on Trump. What is funny is that those who trash him haven't actually taken the time to look at his life, they just listen to what they hear on CNN, MSNBC, NY times or any other liberal hogwash outlet.

Fact is Trump didn't inherit billions, he did inherit millions and then he made billions. Trump has worked extremely hard and has taken massive risks, even went bankrupt and then made a comeback. Trump has worked a lot harder than 99% of the trolls who trash him as some lazy rich man that just inherited all his money.

Just look at how he won election, the man was relentless, doing rally after rally and visiting every sate in rust belt, where was Hilary? working half as hard and part of why she lost, she couldn't work as hard as Trump did.

Hate him for his character, for his policies, for his unpresidential ways but at least stick to facts. Trump has worked freaking HARD, a workaholic, he laid off drugs and alcohol, raised his children well (many billionaires raise garbage lazy children who turn to drugs and are useless) and you have to give him credit for turning millions into billions, going bankrupt and coming back. You won't give him any credit and this is your problem, and the left's problem and why they lost in 2016 and will lose again in 2020.

 

What is success? Well, I'm a pretty middle class guy that has never worked a day in his life. My education and hobbies landed me in an industry I loved. Every day I went to work I got to play in laborites with Ph.D.s, participate in product and technical developments that changed the world, work with customers in a half dozen different industries helping them sharpen this business strategy, and have one helluva good time. I never took a vacation, I didn't want to, or quit at 5 0'clock, Hey I might miss something. I was blessed by God to live a life of leisure and play. Not everybody is so blessed. I never got rich except in my family and marriage. Fair exchange.

 

Facts you don't like are always "Bogeymen".

 

You and reality have always been at odds. But your claim that the Senate is irrelevant in passing legislation is the most laughable of all the statements you have made.

Anyway.... here's a partial list...

Taxes

1. HR 264 — Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act
2. HJ Res. 28 — Further Additional Continuing Appropriations Act, 2019 (Short-term continuing resolution through Feb. 2
3. H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2019
   
4. HR 648 — Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2019 (Six conferenced bills minibus)

Health care

1. HR 259 — Medicaid Extenders Act of 2019
2. House Resolution 271 — Condemning the Trump Administration’s Legal Campaign to Take Away Americans’ Health Care
3. HR 986 — Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019
4. HR 987 — Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act
5. HR 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
6. HR 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)

Immigration

1. H.R. 6: The American Dream and Promise Act
2. H.R.1044 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019
3. H.R. 3524: Northern Triangle and Border Stabilization Act
   
4. H.R. 4803: Citizenship for Children of Military Members and Civil Servants Act

 

489 on this website: https://www.apartments.com/atlanta-ga/1-bedrooms-under-999/

373 on this website: https://www.forrent.com/find/GA/metro-Atlanta/Atlanta/price-Less+than+999

And over a 1000 on craigslist

Life is so hard....womp womp womp

 

There are areas of Atlanta where you wouldn't want to live.

 

it’s hard for me to muster the energy to respond to you as you have shown to lack ability to follow an argument, goes back to all those threads where i thoroughly schooled you on the mueller report and russia hoax.

clearly what i mean is that the senate is irrelevant when it comes to the house trying to push for legislation and coming up with meaningful bills. The fact that the senate has to approve doesn’t give the house an excuse to not do anything.

tell me, why don’t we hear all the house members take to CNN, MSNBC with their bills to solve issues on immigration, healthcare, tax laws? Why do they spend 100% of their time going to these outlets to speak of bogus investigations and witch hunts?


They are bot doing anything, the ‘do nothing democrats’

all they care about is power and fame.. and don’t think they can defeat trump fair and square.. so they resort to disgraceful ways.

 

Sounds a bit racist. You claimed there was nothing to be had under a 1000 bucks and I just gave you over 1000 listings.

The fact is that life is about choices, just as @Mike12 is illustrating in this thread. Don't cry about the rent rates when there are plenty of rentals available for someone making $7.25/hr.

You can choose to sit on your ass and be envious of those who've worked hard to get ahead or you can join them. I have zero sympathy for the lazy.

 

What do you mean YOU?

 

Trump had NOTHING to do with raising his children until they were adults.

Trump risked other people's money NOT his own.