Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

You don't need evidence nor proof when you are telling someone who hates trump, what they want to believe. We have seen this since even before trump took office. So nothing has changed with this crowd of the irresponsible.

We have been shown zero evidence for any of the accusations. But when some people don't need evidence, well, you can just tell them so, and it is so. ha ha.

Yet we trust these people to cast intelligent votes. I guess that is why we have been going down the tubes for years, before trump even got close to the oval office.

Personally, being a very old man, I am astounded at the irresponsibility involved from those that hate trump, both left and right, and one gets the idea they want to launch on russia tomorrow, to end their miserable existence. I see a total lack of reason and rationality driving this hysteria, towards trump, towards russia. And of course that insures irresponsiblility. Mob behavior and mentality.

 

So, who should we believe then?

 

Given who Binney is, to call him a tin foil hatter is absurd. There is no legit reason to demonize the man, and in regards to risen, who helped pen this article. greenwald took him on a few months ago, in regards to his bias against trump. And greenwald won that debate. Just using facts, instead of conjecture as risen was guilty of.

 

There is also a word for those that do not need evidence to back up what anyone might say. I have never taken the word of any gov't official, without evidence. Especially intel who lies for a living. Masters of deception who have no qualms about breaking the law and lying to congress and also spying on their own oversight committee. Rogues do that, not a credible agency. I think this needs to be said. In the interest of rationality and reason. Anyone who believes what he is told, that is very important and consequential, and does not demand to see evidence is just being irresponsible. Rationally, logically and reasonably.

 

Article 3,Section 3,Clause 1 of the United States Constitution "declares, that adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, shall be treason. Any act that deliberately strengthens or tends to strengthen enemies of the United States or that weakens or tends to weaken the power of United states to resist and attack such enemies is characterized as aid and comfort. Aid and comfort may consist of substantial assistance or the "mere" attempt to provide some support. actual help or the success of the enterprise is not relevant.
trump is a------------- " Traitor"--------------
OMG,read your own post again---you said " who has probably made backroom deals with Russian's,but to say he polluted with the Russian Government & is completely controlled by Putin is ridiculous atm"" Um,that's collusion
According to Article 3,Section 3,Clause 1 of the United States of America's Constitution--trump is a "traitor"-----No news media wrote the Constitution,so you can't call it fake news----trump stood right next to Putin & took his side over the United States---it's written pretty clearly, no need to try to interpret it to suit your narrative----trump committed treason -he is a "traitor".

 

This isn't proof of Russian hacking. Show me proof. Evidence needs to be on files, documents. No evidence has been put out. You can blabble all you want, but the people you are believing are the intelligence agencies which lie us into every war, record us everyday, at all times, and this includes James Clapper, John Brennan, and your brother Mueller (who also lied us into Iraq). Very good track record these people have do they?

 

The answer to the thread title question is that the sheep that follow the MSM have been told to do so.

 

There's nothing "blind" about the undeniable proof that we now have.
Why do trump fans choose to believe lies from Putin and trump over the proof?
Why do some side with a traitor?

 

This still doesn't dispute Binney's and VIPS conclusions. He has 30 years of experience in the NSA, and has explained why he doesn't believe its Russia.

 

lefty b like before the election....our elections cant be hacked Trump needs to promise he wont question Hillarys inevitable win....lefty b like during the election start....trump has no possible path to victory....lefty b like 11pm election day...Trump and Russia hacked everyones mind no fairsies.

 

Lmao. 'undeniable proof'. Okay show me the proof then. Show me the proof that Russia hacked the DNC. Show me the proof that he colluded with Russia.

 

Not just proof from the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/putins-game/546548/

 

You didn't ask me, but being a rational person, I will answer. You believe whoever presents hard evidence to back up their accusation. Until then, there is no way to actually KNOW. I don't know, but my opinion has been on the side of Binney, McGovern, and Murray. And that opinion has had no reason to change because no evidence to the contrary has been shown to the People to change any opinion being held.

I saw early on how this deal became politically inflamed, and once that happens, you have to sit back and wait for any evidence to surface. If none surfaces then neither the claim of intel, or ex intel, like binney and others has never been proven by evidence. And like the JFK murders, we will never know if this was a lone gunman or a conspiracy.

To ask me to just accept what my gov't, intel, tells me without evidence, given the fact that all gov'ts have been caught lying is not gonna happen. Rationally it cannot happen with people who are rational beings and know history.

I refuse to be irrational and throw the need for evidence out the door. Some don't seem to have a problem with doing that, as you can see on this forum.

 

Thank you, finally some rational thinking. It's really rare in these times. I was even pissed off to see some principled lefty's go along with the estab narrative just after Mueller, indicted those Russians.

 

There are a few of us left, on political forums. I saw irrationality coming from the haters of obama too. I watched it for 8 years. Partisanship and rationality seem to be oil and water. They do not mix. Hell, I did not vote for trump, as I supported sanders, so I have no dog in this hunt, and live above this silly, blinding, partisanship and hatred. But this crap today is very dangerous, given it involves two powers that can destroy one another. It is utterly irresponsible what politics is doing, and partisanship. Dangerous, IMO. And therefore madness. Mob mentality.

 

However, one only has so much information, so on some level or another, you need to believe somebody, and whatever issues the intelligence community has, they have far more credibility than anyone else involved.

 

Intel has no credibility if they lack evidence, but make claims that need evidence to prove it. Intel basically said, if you include the caveat for context, that we think russia did this or that, yet we cannot prove it. Well, what you think or what they think, without evidence is in the same boat. A nothing burger. Our legal system is based upon this principle, intelligently so.

 

But it makes perfect sense that most of that evidence is classified right?

 

Very credible intelligence agencies, sure....

 

In other words, we know we can ignore anything trump says and anything putin says. The intelligence community has issues, but not at the level of trump and putin.

 

More than anyone else involved.

 

Binney and VIPS are not credible? US intelligence agencies have clear agendas. War, global US dominance.

 

Some, maybe. But you have a small handful of people outside of the loop, and it seems that since 2003, it's just been about being intelligence contrarians. At best, it's a small handful of people without access to internal information.

That requires way too many assumptions for me.
The agenda's that are far clearer are trump and putin's.

 

I thought this. When I came to the American forums a few years ago, I was very depressed at how mindlessly the average American on the Internet believes the media. Especially it was sad in those cases when the media wrote, for example, an obvious lie about Russia, easily visible from Russia itself. But it is impossible to refute this when referring to an American when he believes that the media always speaks only the truth, and the one who says the other is always the Russian Putin troll

Now I see that the blind trust in the media in the US has been undermined by many. And people start to think with their own heads. Try to understand the situation yourself, and not use the ready-made headlines. There are still not so many, as we would like, but enough to rejoice over the United States. Smart self-thinking people - it is always beneficial for the country where they live, and for those who have a relationship with such a country.

 

I'm not saying that it wasn't Russia and that US intel is wrong, I am just pointing out the facts that they have provided no evidence for their claims on WMD'S (lie which killed 200k innocent Iraqi civilians), Russia, etc.. Binney may not have access to all the data but he is highly experienced and he and VIPS have conducted experiments with the downloading of Guccifer 2.0 and conclude that it had to be a local download.