Why do so many people hate the Jews?

They likely wouldn't have known much if anything about the Operation Reinhardt chain of death camps in Poland and the east, but they certainly would have seen the treatment of Jewish and Russian slaves in the factories, and watched them being slowly starved and worked to death. Re the death camps, the Nazis had a tough time finding German soldiers who could stand being guards at those camps, and they relied mostly on Ukrainian and other Slavics for the lower ranks. Most of Europe had its willing collaborators, and a lot of countries whitewash their own histories and hide it under the Nazi narrative; they wouldn't have been so successful at the genocide without a lot of cooperation in most countries of Europe, especially Poles.

Detlev Peukert has an solid little book on 'Everyday Life in Nazi Germany' that some might find informative. Protestants are well represented in the Gestapo arrest records, as were Catholics; the latter is a little ironic given the Nazi's original power base was in Bavaria, a mostly Catholic region of the German Federation.

 

an Assumption dripping with irony itself.

 

An excellent interview with a modern Orthodox American Rabbi that sheds light on some of these topics.

http://www.thejewishreview.org/articles/?id=182

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... and more at the link. I like this particular Orthodox Rabbi and his take on Jewish issues with modernity. Don't have to agree with it, just understand it.

 

I didn't assume you would get it, either. You're a big fan of left wing antisemitism and policies that can only lead to the genocide of Israelis while hiding behind a fake veneer of 'humanitarianism'.

 

One reason might be that the Jewish texts are pure supremacist in that their genocidal invisible friend who lives in the sky says they are "his chosen people".......kind of like the Aryans were Hitler's chosen people. People don't like it when people claim that their imaginary friend loves THEM the most - complete egomaniacs. But in all fairness, JESUS is also a complete egomaniac ("no one comes to the father but through me...." the egomaniac allegedly said (me, me, me, it's all about ME!!!!!)

"No one comes to the father but through ethics and good works" is what a sane, non-egomaniac would have said, of course. Trump must emulate Jesus.

 

One reason for Jew hatred is that the Islamic texts (believed by a whopping 20% of all humanity!) hate, hate, and hate some more when it comes to the Jews. Mohammad deserves some of the blame for modern anti-Semitism.
I love Jews, so I've of course risen, ethically, above that 20% of the population - they won't condemn Mohammad for his anti-Semitism.

 

The internet and it's inherent anonymity have

Heard ago I saw a movie in which a high school teacher was trying to explain this to his class, but they just couldn't understand. To help them understand, he created a secret society among the class. In the end, this secret society was threatened and one of the students killed someone.

Wish I could find that movie again to see how well it described the mentality.

 

I reckon the Jews killing Jesus is only one cog, albeit a significant one. The situation of the Jews go back, probably at least to Exodus times.

 

They persecuted Christians at every opportunity when they could, right along with the pagan butchers, long before any such responses from Christians, and never really stopped,until much later. Non-christian Jews set the tone for the future relationships themselves, and did so for several hundred years. It's a case of reaping what one sows. As I said before, being on the losing side of a war you started doesn't ennoble you with any special exemption from the consequences of your own actions.

 

Yes, Christians hold a grudge, obviously. It's not good to hold grudges - let go of your illogical Biblical hatred of the Jews, Christians.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head. Bible + Quran + perpetual minority since ~700 BCE = easy scapegoat.

 

the Jews didn't kill Jesus.

the Romans did

 

Well that's a whole new kind of awful for me. Thanks for the link.

 

Here's some prime BS =

Zechariah 2:7-9 (WEB) = "7 ‘Come, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.’ 8 For Yahweh of Armies says: ‘For honor he has sent me to the nations which plundered you; for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye. 9 For, behold, I will shake my hand over them, and they will be a plunder to those who served them; and you will know that Yahweh of Armies has sent me."

 

According to the fairy tale in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 (CEV) =
"14 My friends, you did just like God’s churches in Judea and like the other followers of Christ Jesus there. And so, you were mistreated by your own people, in the same way they were mistreated by their people.
15 Those Jews killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and they even chased us away. God doesn’t like what they do and neither does anyone else. 16 They keep us from speaking his message to the Gentiles and from leading them to be saved. The Jews have always gone too far with their sins. Now God has finally become angry and will punish them."

 

How does your theory explain the survival of Judaism in India?

By the way, antisemitism didn't exist in India until the British poked their perfidious noses there.

 

Funny thing is, the Nazi poster child was a Jewish baby. Of course, they didn't know she was Jewish, her photo had been chosen because she looked like their ideal pure-blood Aryan baby. Looks are deceiving.

 

Yes, it goes back to Christianity.

It started with The Epistle of the Emperor Constantine, Concerning the Matters Transacted at the Council, Addressed to Those Bishops Who Were Not Present [at the first council of Nicea]. Constantine feared the influence of Judaism on Christians.

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers2/NPNF2-03/Npnf2-03-10.htm#P1155_247748

This epistle shows us an important fact about Jews, Judaism, and the relationships between Jews and Christians before antisemitism. Jews lived in open communities, participated in the social and cultural life of the society. This fact becomes clearer when we consider the antisemitic laws that followed. The Theodosian code, for instance, forbade marriages between Jews and Christians, forbade Christians from taking part in Judaic rituals, forbade Christian priests from praying in a synagogue. Thus began the segregation between Jews and Christians, and the millennia of hatred that followed.

Let's not forget that the Byzantine liturgy poisoned the faithful minds for centuries with the “The murderers of God, the lawless nation of the Jews…” mantra. I think it's still being recited today in Eastern Orthodox churches, even in Jerusalem. I've been told, on a public forum, by an Orthodox Christian, that it would be better for everyone if all the Jews just died.

All those persecutions, the segregation, the demonisation of Jews throughout history, have led to the image of the weird, alien, dangerous Jew, lurking out there to hurt innocent people just because he's a Jew. Ignorance is bliss.

A brief history of the origins of antisemitism:
http://vlib.iue.it/carrie/texts/carrie_books/seaver/text.html

 

The killings of Stephen, James, and James The Just, and the persecutions of Paul played as big a role, as did the destruction of the Second Temple that left the Pharisees sect the 'last sect standing' and beginning the rise of Rabbinical Judaism and the expulsions of Christians from synagogues are the roots. Jews were self-segregating, always were, and still are among Orthodox Jews, and very good at demonizing others. It's a highly racist sect among its conservative side, less so under the Reformed.

The Theodisian Code and others like it are themselves products of a history of Jewish persecutions and their allying with pagan persecutors of Christians, as well as under the Persians, and which were particularly brutal in the Four Emperors era that gave rise to Constantine. Those Codes are a defensive reaction by a heavily persecuted minority against deadly enemies, and pretty bland stuff considering what they were protecting themselves from; they were still a minority in those days as well. The Jewish kings of Himyar were fond of bragging about the 10's of thousands of Christians they massacred in Arabia in the decades before the waves of Islamic bandits and murderers rose up and began their long wave of mass murders and oppression.

The whole story is not nearly as simplistic as many would like it to be.

 

A distinction without a difference, since it was at the request of the local Jewish authorities and Courts. The Romans didn't go looking for him. He wasn't executed for violating Roman law, he was executed for violating local laws.

 

Can you clarify? I don't follow the assumptions you've made. All I said is that Judaism exists because it piggybacked on Xtianity.

 

And Islam, which spread a lot further early on.

In any case, the Portuguese in Goa actually persecuted Jews in India long before the Brits came along, and of course the Muslims did so as well.

 

Jews have been living in India since before the advent of Christianity. How exactly piggybacked their Judaism on Christianity, taking into account that Christianity arrived in India some 15 centuries later?

Why do you say that Judaism piggybacked on Christianity? This is so weird.

 

Nobody would have heard of it, and despite all the stupid Xian bashing rubbish, Christianity is the only reason it survives at all.

 

I don't understand. Enlighten me.