Why does the whistleblower's identity matter?

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  1. JCS

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    So you believe all the witnesses were in on a plot to remove the president? Does that also include Bolton, Parnas, Mulvaney? Did the plot also include the call transcript (the call which Trump originally lied about before releasing the transcript)? Did the plot also include the text records between Taylor & Sondland? Did the plot also include the OMB records clearly showing aid was withheld by someone in the White House? I could go on.
     
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    Anyone who wants to be fair recognizes the ability to twist facts, to blend some truth into the lies to make them plausible.
    We have watched the dem interpretations of everything being filtered to free them of portions not compatible with the desired argument.
    They simply hear and see what they want, even in the full picture contradicts it. Been watching that happen for more than three years now-
    all pretense of fairness is now about as effective as lipstick on a pig.

    The idea of entering any investigation with a preconceived conclusion and adjusting what claim you have proven to support only conclusion is not justice, it's corruption and malfeasance.
    That's why there are Zero wins on the dem side.
     
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    Again, zero evidence regarding Hunter. Got any witnesses, documents, or records that show Hunter was involved in corruption? Did you also forget that Hunter joined Burisma long after an investigation into Burisma's owner began & ended?

    And again, none of this makes any difference anyway because none of it absolves Trump of his violations of office.

    Trump's playing you people...got you people believing that the Bidens, whislteblower, Schiff, Pelosi, etc. can somehow excuse his criminal behavior. If you were really interested in the truth you would've demanded to hear from all the witnesses the House wanted.

    She served under both Repub & Dem presidents & in different nations. There's no evidence for your claim that she "believed her policies were more important than his." It's not "her" policies to begin with...and ambassadors don't make policy. She has a job to do as ambassador & she did it well for many years. Part of that job has been to be alert to foreign corruption where aid is earmarked. She was removed for being a potential threat to the "drug deal" Bolton talked about. She reported her concerns to her boss who later stated she didn't do anything wrong. She's a-political and a professional with many recommendations. She was fired for the same reasons Trump fires anybody. They're either investigating Trump, they're exposing Trump, and/or they refuse to go along with Trump's agenda.
     
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    Show me where facts have been twisted and/or blended truths into lies to make them plausible. Facts are facts...and enough facts will paint a clear picture of what's going on.

    And I certainly hope you're not under some delusion that Trump isn't the kind of person who would/could ever commit crimes in office. His entire business career has been a history of con jobs. Why do you believe he would suddenly turn over a new leaf and act honorably & with great integrity, or even with empathy towards the people as the President of this country?
     
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    If you can't see it there is zero chance someone you believe is a dupe will convince you that you are wrong. Every time I see a left leaning diatribe about Trump I am amazed that the author doesn't see himself.
     
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    I believe that a person with a left political mentality and sympathy would calla person with no criminal record a career criminal for the sole purpose of discrediting him.
    And- I find that discredits them.
     
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    This has nothing to do with left vs right. Do you honestly believe Trump has any allegiance to the principles of any one political party?

    Trump is a career criminal, he's drunk with power, and completely out of his mind...period!
     
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    It has everything to do with left vs right and Trump has allegiance to this country and the voters who elected him to change the status quo. Now if that sounds absurd to you read your post and imagine what I think of that?
     
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    So it's just a matter of right vs left? Common sense, reason, and logic aren't important, eh?

    Trump has no allegiance to anyone or anything...only to who/what can benefit him in terms of money & power. You really believe he cares anything about you, the people, or his country? Of course Trump "loves" his country...just as much as Kim-Jung Un & Putin love their countries...because they're profiting from their countries & its peoples. So that means nothing.

    The important question is...does he genuinely CARE for the people, his country, and it's natural resources? The answer is obvious.
     
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    If common sense, reason and logic were all important you wouldn't be saying the things you say about Trump because they aren't true.

    Yes, I believe he truly cares about this country and the American people. Congress is full of people who lack that virtue though.

    Today's winner take all politics is all about left or right.
     
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    100% of the time, this is only with no exceptions an attempt to punish anyone who doesn't follow the party line.
     
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    Because the WB leaked classified information, a telephone call that happened to contain critical remarks of Merkel's Germany and thus undermining confidentality of these calls for the future.

    When we say things are "classified", we don't just leak them.
     
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    Common sense, reason and logic have nothing to do with anything you said here. It's just hyperbole expressing a strong feeling of hatred and that's all about left/right.
     
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    Why does the WB identity matter?

    Because if Trump can't identify him he can't exact retribution and if he can't exact retribution he can't intimidate others who might speak out against him
     
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    Haters don't get intimidated, they just hate and sometimes they lie.

    It isn't always so much what has happened or been said, in politics the most important thing is what it can be made/shaped into. That is why the WB testimony is important, to be able to drill down to his/her actual testimony and compare it to the story being pushed forward. The truth is we will probably never see the original report because it has been made into something useful and that fact means we don't want to drag it out into the open.

    Want proof that is true? Have you seen the original report? Have any of the Presidents legal team interviewed this WB in a secure private meeting?
     
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    "The people need these whistleblowers...be they "fake" or not...we need them. The people would be none the wiser if it were not for these crucial whistleblowers."

    "The people" most definitely do not need those who plot against the very foundations of our nation.

    "You seek transparency when it comes to the "other side"...but you support secrecy when it comes to Trump's side. Double standard?"

    That is a pantload of made up crap.
     
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    "That wasn't an appeal to "authority"..."

    Uh huh... sure.

    "Trump's insanity is really beginning to show & is taking a toll on the nation. I would say most Trump supporters are not clinically insane...but rather, delusional, programmed cult followers (with the exception of the "loyalists" who are just looking out for their career & financial interests)."


    Breathe...

    "But recall years ago that Graham, during the 2016 presidential race, calls Trump (among other things) a "kook, crazy & unfit for office". Today, Lindsey Graham is a staunch Trump "supporter" (at least on the surface). Did Trump suddenly become un-insane? lol"


    Another 'appeal to authority'.
     
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    It's amazing how people can just make stuff up, then base their conclusions on what they made up.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Yes...it is amazing! You should know. ;)
     
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    I see it all the time. So?
     

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