Why Donald Trump is neither Conservative or Liberal...

Now I'll be honest I am a huge leftist, but Donald Trump has changed the nation. It seems like everything is revolving around this guy. The media is watching him like an owl. He is an amazing and gifted marketer I'll give you that. And he does make sense on trade, NAFTA hasn't been all that great. He exposed those super far right republican primary voters more than ever, with his policies and there love for them. He's shaken up the establishment, who fears him, because to his credit he's not bought or paid for by donors or special interests. And he's also gotten more people involved in politics. But here is the thing he's not conservative or liberal. What he is, is an opportunist and a populist. I guarantee you if he ran in 2008, he would be on the Democratic side of isle, saying the same things as Obama. Because when people, leaders don't live up to the hype, people like him run and and they gain traction! You see he was once supposedly a liberal, and now supposedly he's a conservative, I bet you the reason he didn't run in 2008, is because he couldn't do what he could do with the liberal crowd that he could do with the conservative crowd. He's a brilliant marketer.

 

People are so locked into how the media defines people and defines the words conservative and liberal, that people can not think outside that box.

Trump is not dogmatic. He is not driven by ideology and certainly not by partisan slogans and party platforms. He is not a conservative. He is not a liberal. Not a Republican. Not a Democrat. Not a libertarian. Not a progressive.

Trump is pragmatic, he is goals oriented. If anyone actually listens to him, Trump is Trump. He is Trumpism. This is exactly how he explains himself. He has goals. He sees this as a matter of power and negotiations to get what he wants. Anyone or anything that supports those goals, he's for it or that person. Anyone or anything in opposition to his goals, and he is against it or that person. Thus, he can attack someone one day and praise the person the next. Opponents. Putin. Republicans. Democrats. Doesn't matter.

He also is clear how "the art of the deal" works in his opinion. To negotiate, you start from the most extreme position possible. Then, via calculating power, assets, tactics, you negotiate to the middle and an agreement, unless it is not an agreement you can accept - and then you walk away.

So, for example, with Mexico? He starts with he is going to force Mexico to build a wall - and if Mexico won't he'll cut off all trade with the USA and therefore all American money, plus NO immigrants can come in - who send literally BILLIONS out of the USA to their home country. Does he figure he can get all that? No. But that's his starting point. Now Mexico should counter offer and the negotiations has begun, like a poker game and he knows the cards of his showing are better than the cards Mexico has showing.

The same on banning Muslims. He starts with ban ALL Muslims - against Democrats and liberals wanting to bring in hundreds of thousands. Will he come off "ALL?" He already has saying there can be exceptions. SO, the negotiation then is which Muslims (ie ME people) can and can't come in? Again, this is how Trump works. Its all negotiating, and he will start with the most extreme position possible, meaning he has more to give away for countering concessions by the other side.

Whether this is conservative, liberal, Republican, Democratic? He doesn't care in the slightest. He's said over and over too. He plays to win. Whatever it takes.

Yet in that he may be exactly what this country needs. Or a horrific disaster. Hard to say. But debating whether he is a conservative isn't even relevant.

 

verses..

oh boy here it comes.

oh sure there it is, just wait for it and theres the liberal dig
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/opportunist

 

Only a fool isn't an opportunist if you think about it. Seize opportunity.

"When opportunity knocks, open the door."

 

I think Trump is driven by winning. I don't think he believes half the stuff coming out of his mouth this primary.

 

The stupid Republicans are going to be in for a rude shock if they actually have Trump as their candidate. There is a reason why the establishment Republican party is panicking. The only real question is why the fruit loop Republican Conservative wing is too stupid to be panicking as well.

 

Listen there is no escaping the fact, that he has got the media all around him having him on 24/7 all day everyday, and he's benefiting from it. Trump supporters you guys need to wake up. He makes sense on trade, but he has not given any specifics on anything. All he does is say "I am gonna make it great, and make America great again", "and there are some stupid people" without giving any specifics on how he's going to get his goals accomplished. You guys are being hypnotized. You guys like his strength, but wake up from your dreams and see the bigger picture.

 

Let me ask you, do you REALLY believe that Clinton or Sanders are going to get college kids free college tuition?

Actually Trump has given some specifics, such as in regards to foreign countries manipulating currency. He was very specific on how he would have negotiated with Iran as another example.

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Democrats are going with Hillary and even most Democrats don't like her. So you got nothing to talk about.

 

Yes, and he has acknowledged that many times. But then so are all the other candidates. Rather, Trump has a unique style and set of tactics he has masters that is working. The other candidates lacked his boldness and were all playing by the same rules - except Bernie Sanders somewhat, but he chickened out fast in terms of tangling with his opponents. Trump is running an in-your-face campaign.

 

how do you really know that, can you mind read us guys now?

 

Donald Trump is a fake, phony, liberal - a wolf in sheep's clothing. Even as Cruz mused, Cruz's alleged citizenship was not a problem until he began rising in the polls. Then, and only then, did the the fake Republican, Trump, make a big deal out of it.

As a liberal you know that Trump bankrolled the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. So, why the "conservative" act now? Trump has whizzed off as many people as he possibly could. IF he could get the nomination, the Republicans would stay at home and the Democrats would show up in droves. I still remember his days with the World Wrestling Federation. He was a good showman then and he still is.

IF Donald Trump could get his ideas on immigration passed, the United States Supreme Court would over-rule much of it and it would drive the right nuts. Maybe some of them would become unhinged and give a neat pretext to outlaw firearms. It boggles the mind to know that of all those guys he's debated on stage, not one of them has broke bread with him on a social level. Bill and Hitlery Clinton were guests in Trump's home. Bill advised Trump to run for president. Hitlery was at Trump's wedding as his guest.

Still, with all the facts coming at us, the masses follow the manipulator as sheep are led to slaughter. It is a sad for America when we could have Cruz, Paul, Fiorina or, in the alternative, Rubio. Any one of them has a far superior record to the guy who has a history of liberalism, bankruptcy and acting.

 

The fact that Trump is neither a liberal or conservative is a strength.

He is an economic nationalist. He is not in anyone's pocket.

Americans are sick and tired of cookie cutter candidates who are owned by the party elites who tell them what to think and say. Sick and tired!!

As to the OP, Trump probably could run as a Dem and have the exact same agenda. Interesting, isn't it?

 

I do believe that they can give us free tuition. What makes you think they can't. Listen when people say how are you going to pay for all of this stuff, raising taxes on rich like billionaires, cutting 60 billion from defense spending every year could get free college. America is the richest was the richest and will probably always be the richest country in history, and saying that we can't pay for this stuff is a silly argument. The rest of the world is laughing at us. Look at Germany, they give free college, giving us smarter kids for a better future. The so called "socialist countries" all of there people love their governments, because there governments are working for them. And there economies are booming. Germany is the envy of Europe right now because its economy is doing very well.

 

If Hillary and Sanders keep repeating that lie over and over and over the college kids will eventually believe it.

Obama did the same thing repeating the lie back in 2008 with his hope and change you can believe in and 52% of Americans went stupid and believed in the lie.

Drive through the hoods and barrios in America today and you will see millions of stupid people standing by their mail boxes still waiting for their Obama money. They been doing it for seven years now.

 

well yeah because obama stack the court with 2 more female liberals. Sonia Sotomayor Elena Kagan

 

A yellow dog Democrat, very politically active, years ago told me all politics is the same, it is all candidates trying to find ways to say this:

"Everyone look at me! Don't look at my opponent, look at me! I'm better than my opponent. I'm brilliant. I'm wonderful. I'm everything you want. My opponent is a despicable, horrible person who would hurt you. We don't want him, he's one of them."

That's Trump's campaign.

Think, can you remember any candidate for president ever saying these words: "I'm smart, I'm really, really smart. People are amazed at how smart I am," "they're stupid, they're all stupid," "we'll be winning so much people will get sick of winning," "Il make everything great, believe me, it will be great," and "I'm rich, I'm really, really rich."

Those are exact quotes - and often.

Trump is raw, blunt, simple and direct. He does NOT over-estimate the intelligence of voters. It is NOT voters who know the issues that decide national elections. It will always be voters who couldn't name any government official but the president, never heard of the Spanish-American war, and has no idea what a mutual bond is.

Understanding that is the real brilliance of Trump - whether calculated or just his ego talking doesn't really matter. Democrats and Republicans do rely on simple scandals and name calling ("racist," "socialist," etc), but Trump has found a new level of simplicity for the voters. "I'm smart, they're stupid, I'm awesome, they're awful people. I'm a winner, they are losers. I'm rich, they're beggars. I'll make everything great, they will destroy everything."

There is merit in his approach. To hell with trying to sound lofty for the media, forget about patronizing party bosses, and who cares what the hardcore partisans think? Go for the masses, for the mob even, they are the greatest number of voters anyway. It isn't who can give the most brilliant speech, but who can give the simplest speech.

 

It will only get worse if you put Trump in the White House. The next president will get a chance to put maybe three more justices on the bench. Cruz is the only guy I really trust to put the right people in that position.

 

Maybe if Cruz can make up his mind. On the same day he both condemned John Roberts as a terrible choice and declared he is excellent.

Setting your candidate choice aside, who are next selected for the Supreme Court is the greatest issue that not 1% of voters will cast their vote upon in the election. That may more affect the future of government than anything else.

 

He is shrewd. He knows how to play politics.

 

Not particularly a Donald Trump fan.But he is a bona fide 100% true
blue,honest to goodness American.That is worth a lot of Green stamps
no matter how old one is.He's not a Priest or Rabbi or Preacher.
Yet he may have it in his power of persuation to affect that discipline to
a huge degree,.He doesn't shy away from conflict or problems.He seems to
relish finding solutions.His approach may seem different and unique but that is
the American way.If nothing else Donald Trump is the American way.
That is not merely some saving grace,but a lifeline for Americana.
Americans desperately Need a Donald Trump.

 

Me too

Not sure what trump would do
Otoh, i am pretty sure what the other politicians would do
And that is not reassuring

 

Lookey here ... The Three Female Stooges

 

But Canadian judges are not allowed to serve on the SCOTUS

 

But he is allowed to be Vice President.

 

I think you are right. He is a negotiator a problem-solver and a pragmatist.

And “Trump’s ground game is Twitter.”

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/01/trumps-ground-game.html?spref=tw

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