Why don't liberals express same outrage over millions of murdered babies each year?

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  1. Unifier

    Unifier New Member

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    Because a fetus isn't cute. Apparently it's only tragic when the victim looks like them. When it doesn't look like them, they can't relate to it and it doesn't count. Nothing arbitrary about that.


    ^Case in point.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Why don't conservatives understand that abortion and the Sandy Hook shooting have NOTHING to do with the other?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    This cannot be a serious question
     
  4. Unifier

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    But they do. And that's the problem. When people try to call the abortionists out for their inconsistency, all the aborts seem to be able to do is get angry, ridicule, and deflect.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    So a woman deciding to destroy cells in her own body is equivalent to someone killing 6-7 year old children with an AR-15??? No wonder why you guys lost the election, you are batchit crazy!!!
     
  6. Unifier

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    “Cells in her own body.” That’s cute. So by that logic, what was wrong in the 1800s with a farmer simply destroying his own “farm equipment” that he legally purchased and was protected by the government?

    Go ahead. Let's see that consistency.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    So cells in the body is equivalent to farm equipment? What would you do if the Govt told you what you were and weren't allowed to do with your own body?
     
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    Because they are not human, just a project.

    ????

    Abortion does not understand of "races", abortion is done by everyone. And true, only affects to women.

    I don't understand your message.
     
  9. Unifier

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    Legally, yes. Because the law once determined that neither of these were people and that they were both simply an extension of someone else's being. Just as killing a child in the womb would be legally no different than having a tumor removed, killing a slave would have been legally no different than smashing a lamp.



    But the government's not telling you that, are they? There are no laws against getting tattoos or body piercings or breast implants or nose jobs or liposuction or sex changes or anything of that nature. Nor is there any vocal social movement pushing for such legislation. Why could that be? Could it be because nobody really cares what you do with your body and your rights simply end where someone else's begin since there is more than one person involved in the abortion issue?

    Face it. The "my body, my choice" argument is a flimsy one because it holds no more weight than me telling you to get your laws off my body when I want to punch somebody out. You can't tell me what to do with my own fist. It's part of my body, and it's not your business.
     
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    That does not make them equivalent, hahahaha. You are batchit crazy... you are literally the last person that should be making policy decisions.

    So tatoos and body piercings are equivalent to a woman having cells grow in her body and develop in to a baby? The funniest part is you honestly will never realize how dumb you sound.

    So punching another human being who has already been born is equivalent to a woman destroying cells that are growing in her body? You are a nut job.
     
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    How can you compare an embryo with a five year old child?
     
  12. Unifier

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    And you have now officially conceded the argument since your rebuttal has been reduced to nothing more than ridicule. Better luck next time. Perhaps you should think your positions through a little more thoroughly so you'll be able to defend them better.


    Pretty simple, really. They're both children at two different stages of the developmental process.
     
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    How about this reason......

    "Unemployed Youth in U.S is now over 10 million"
     
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    Abortions don't kill babies, they kill fetuses. Of course you don't actually care about the prospects of an unwanted child after it's been born.
     
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    You are comparing a separate human being, who has both gained self-awareness and being outside of its mother womb, to something that is both not aware yet, and inside someone.

    Do you believe a mother should carry a child to term even if it may kill her? Do you believe she should carry it even if she does not have the financial stability required for a child? What if the child has physical deformations or mental health issues? What if it was rape? Do you believe in the day after pill or is that murder also?

    You quote "Cells in her own body." then follow up with "That's Cute." How is that cute? Its the truth, a child is cells and they are in her body. Slaves were not living up in the in slave owners.
     
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    How many cells does a woman destroy in the course of her reproductive lifetime by menstruation?
     
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    What if that fetus was gay, developmentally disabled and covered by Obama Care. Would you still be fighting for his/her rights?
     
  18. Unifier

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    How many of those will grow into fully autonomous adults if left untampered with? And for that matter, how many of those is she consciously and willfully destroying in the first place?

    Pick your poison. You've lost on two fronts here.




    So what? What do self-awareness and being outside of a womb have to do with anything? You realize those are just arbitrary criteria ascribed by already-born people, don't you? They hold no inherent value. For example, why self-awareness? Why not presence of a heart? Why not full formation of internal organs? Why not the first cell division?



    I believe this is a tough question that there are no easy answers to. And I don't pretend to have all the answers. But fortunately in modern day society, this is a statistical rarity in terms of reasons why people actually get abortions. What's dishonest is how pro-abortion people always play this card along with the rape card in order to try to justify the entire practice and excuse full scale genocide by citing statistical anomalies. Which is nothing but fear and guilt mongering.


    Absolutely. You don't kill your children because you can't afford them. You get off your ass and adjust your circumstances to provide a better life for them. I think too many people today have been lulled into a place where they ignore their conscience. They are now so self-centered that they will seek to justify quite literally anything that inconveniences them. Including willfully murdering their own child.

    And furthermore, she should be living a responsible enough life before hand to minimize the chances of finding herself in that position in the first place. Sure, accidents do happen. I don't deny that. But when used properly, condoms are approximately 99% effective. If you're getting pregnant because you're not even making the effort to take the proper precautions, you don't have a leg to stand on when the consequences catch up with you.


    What if? What if? What if? These are all of those anomalies I'm talking about. Stop looking for the exception and look at the whole picture. The vast majority of people who get abortions do not fall into these categories. They simply didn't care enough to be responsible, got pregnant, and wanted an easy way out. This is most abortions.

    As for the morning after pill, is it terminating a fertilized egg? There's your answer.


    Which is completely irrelevant. You're missing the point here. Everyone is nothing but cells. You are cells. I am cells. That's all any human being is - a collection of cells. When you try to make arbitrary distinctions between people, you create an empty man-made standard that can be moved by anybody at whim to redefine "personhood" however they see fit.

    You don't realize that from a slave-holder's perspective, being purchased was the only criterion necessary to prove that a slave was property. "It's not a person. It's farm equipment. I bought it just like you bought your plow. My property, my choice. Don't like slaves? Don't own one. Stop being anti-choice!"
     
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    This is what is so maddening and stupid about liberals. They insist we should keep the most evil mass murderers alive while think nothing of killing the most innocent, the unborn.
     
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    Undeveloped fetuses =/ children.
     
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    Who cares? What does potential have to do with anything? Does a zygote feel the same as a 10 year old when it's destroyed?
     
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    What difference does it make how it feels when it's destroyed?
     
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    You didn't answer my question. What does potential have to do with anything? Should birth control and condoms be made illegal, because if ejaculation into a vagina isn't "tampered with," it could result in a " fully autonomous adult?"
     
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    "This is what is so maddening and stupid ......... They insist we should kill the most evil mass murderers .... while they think nothing of killing the innocent bystanders, women, children, the unborn, people just trying to survive who are already in poverty" Those are considered expendable for the greater good....to make room for more to be born?
     
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    because no babies are murdered? fetuses are aborted. big difference.
     

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