Why don't supporters of Isreal support getting the US off oil?

I don't understand why there is such a silence from this group on this issue or that they seem to support the use of oil.

I realize the US doesn't import most of its oil from nations that threaten Israel, but as consumers of oil, which is a global commodity, we have a huge impact on its global price. If the impossible hypothetical of the US giving up oil tomorrow were to happen, it would lower the price. If all other western nations followed, it would drive it down further. That lower price would make oil less appealing to produce, thus hurting oil producing nations, many of which are not Israel friendly, and in turn take away our inability to fully support Israel without the baggage of our energy needs.

We could then forge a foriegn policy based on ideals and less on energy needs.

 

The US guarantees Israel's oil supply.

Have you considered putting ideals in your gas tank?

 

Because we're not getting off of oil for decades to come as there is no viable general-use technology available.

Tell you what, when I can buy a volt at buy here/pay here lot for around $2000 I might consider getting one.

How long you think that'll take? 10-15 years at outside?

 

Actually, in the next 5 to 10 years Israel will become one of the major oil producers in the world thanks to recent discoveries off the coast of Israel. in other words, Israel is fixing to become one of the richest countries in the world. Hence, you Muslims better quickly conquer Israel and impose Sharia ASAP, otherwise once the oil money starts pouring in, Israel will quickly become as military capable as the USA.

 

Okay...transition to what? Alcohol? Synthetic oil made from coal? Alcohol is as polluting as oil and would end up consuming all the land now currently used for growing crops for food. Synthetic oil would be a prohibitively expensive proposition. The truth is other than fossil fuels, there isn't anything else that can serve as viable alternative at the current time. Maybe in 50 to 100 years they will figure something out. But for the time being, we are stuck with oil whether we like it or not. Indeed, without oil our economy would quickly come to a halt. Not to mention that in a short period of time people would begin starving to death.

In any event, eventually the Mideast oilfields are going to have to be seized and occupied and the enormous unearned oil wealth of the Saudis and the Gulf State Emirates will have to also be seized and confiscated, not out of greed mind you, but in self-defense. As they are already using those resources and wealth to fund the stealth global jihad against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world, per the dictates of Islam. Hence, it's either we eliminate our enemy or our enemy will eliminate us. In fact, we don't have any other choice matter.

Nevertheless, once Obama is thrown out of office in November, his onerous regulations will be rolled back and drill baby, drill baby, drill baby will be implemented. Thus, between oil and natural gas, the price of oil will fall precipitously..

 

Maybe... Back in 1998 World Net Daily announced the largest oil reserve in the world was in Israel..

They took a lot of money from investors over a period of ten years and never put down a borehole.

Last year Israel announced the world's largest Shale oil Reserves .. and "Harold Vinegar" talked about a plan to put "heaters" deep into the earth for a couple of years to release the oil.

So we'll see... I doubt any of the oil majors will invest in Israeli oil development until Israel is more stable.

 

Obama says he cares 'deeply' about Israeli security...

Obama accuses GOP critics of 'beating the drums of war' in Mideast
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama declared Tuesday that diplomacy can still resolve the crisis over Iran's possible pursuit of nuclear weapons, and he accused his Republican critics of "beating the drums of war."

 

Actually, I meant to say natural gas instead of oil, as Israel has found some of the largest natural gas fields in the world. There is also quite a bit of oil in those new natural gas fields as well. Israel has enough natural gas and oil to become energy independent for decades, and enough natural gas and oil to reap billions of dollars annually by exporting it to Europe. Indeed, it will be shipped via pipeline through Greece, as cash strapped Greece has suddenly become Israel's best friend. It's funny how that works. Hence, if you Muslims expect to render Israel back into the Dar al Islam via jihad, then you guys better get busy and act fast before it is too late.

 

Harald Vinegar announced today that no oil majors will touch them..

He's supposedly a senior scientist formerly with Dutch Shell... but he seems to have been born last year.

 

Let There Be Light Crude: Zion's Holy Profits

Evangelical preachers claim that a giant oil find in Israel will usher in the end of days.
Enter the con men and penny-stock hustlers.

By Mariah Blake
MotherJones.com
January/February 2008 Issue

When James Cojanis heard the first rumblings of Armageddon, he was sitting in his San Jose home with the radio tuned to a popular Christian show called The Prophecy Club. Featured that day was a charismatic Texas oilman named Harold "Hayseed" Stephens. Speaking in the rousing cadence of a Southern preacher, he told listeners that "the greatest oil field on Earth is under the southwest corner of the Dead Sea"—and that his company, Ness Energy International, was about to tap into it. In doing so, he said, it would drain the oil fields of the Persian Gulf, prompt Arab countries to attack Israel, and at last touch off the great battle that would usher in the end of days.

Continued..........

http://www.rgm.com/articles/fraud.html

 

perhaps the oil that was discovered off the coast of Israel was just a hoax....just saying.

 

Well, there is a small problem..

Israel doesn't own the whole of the Eastern Med..

Here's an excerpt from a long list of oil scams in Israel.

Unlike Ness, Zion is a legitimate wildcatting venture, with respected geologists on its board of directors. Still, some of its activities are questionable. The firm was first brought to wide attention by Hal Lindsey, host of the prophecy-focused TV show The Hal Lindsey Report and coauthor of the best-selling The Late Great Planet Earth. Lindsey has bet very publicly on Brown's company, telling his viewers in March 2007 that "Zion Oil right now is on the verge of discovering oil," a sign that "we are really on the very threshold of Lord Jesus' return."

Around the same time, he touted the company in his column on the popular conservative website WorldNetDaily, saying, "Zion Oil has sunk eight exploratory wells, all of which have shown signs of oil and gas" (it has, in fact, sunk just one), and suggesting Israel's oil "could rival that of Saudi Arabia."

What Lindsey neglected to mention was that he and his relatives own millions of dollars of stock in the company. In 2002, John Brown gave Lindsey a gift of 50,000 shares, worth $337,500 at today's price. Ralph Devore, Lindsey's cousin and a director of his ministries, controls nearly 725,000 shares, worth about $4.9 million. Devore was also a founding member of Zion's board and was at one point hired to promote the company.

Brown insists his motives for the gift were pure. "It was simply in my heart to give shares to people who loved Israel," he says. But Lindsey's support has clearly paid off for the company. After he told television viewers that Zion was "on the verge" of an oil find, the trading volume of the company's stock leaped from 11,100 a day to 122,000 and the price climbed from $7.64 to $9.25 a share, a 21 percent increase. (Lindsey did not respond to requests for comment.)

http://www.rgm.com/articles/fraud.html

 

I wouldn't be too quick to think that Israel is going to remain friends with Greece

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/isra...neo-nazis-out-of-greece-s-government-1.416802

and while we are on the subject of gas, when are the Palestinians going to get access to theirs? I can remember many people believed that was the reason for Cast Lead

http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/24477/palestinians-missing-out-£2bn-energy-fortune

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=283&PID=1845&IID=1896

 

And that they have tremendous interest from smaller independent companies that don't do business in the Arab world. The oil is real, business will be there to reap profit.

 

Nope, the reason for Cast Lead was 10,000 rockets fired from Gaza at Israeli towns. Of course there always are conspiracies just about everything, feel free to believe any one or all of them.

And the Palestinians will get access to their oil when they make peace with Israel, get their sovereignty and finalize their borders, find oil in their territorial waters and then find ways to pump it.

 

Your post presupposes cooperation between left and right is possible on the subject of energy policy. It isn't.

 

Anyone who believes that diplomacy will work against Muslims is obviously mentally incompetent. The only way to stop the Iranian ruling Mullah regime is via force, as Muslims will always be deceptive with respect to non-Muslim unbelievers per the dictates of Islam. Hence, diplomacy, i.e., negotiating with Muslims, is analogous to asking to be duped and betrayed.

Moreover, Obama is trying to dupe the American people and Israel by claiming to be serious about stopping Iran at all cost. However, where is the date certain deadline whereby Iran must comply to let the international community in to dismantle its nuclear weapons program? It's conspicuously absent. Indicating that Obama is bluffing. Indeed, without an ultimatum, how can anyone much less the ruling mullah regime in Iran conclude that Obama is actually serious? The answer, of course, is they can't because he obviously isn't serious.

Obama's strategy is to stall until after Iran becomes nuclear armed, and if Iran becomes nuclear armed, that massive Saudi owned Pakistan nuclear weapons arsenal, will get proliferated throughout the Sunni Islamic world virtually overnight to counter a nuclear armed Shi'a Iran. Thus, the Islamic world with its imperative to make Islam supreme throughout the world will become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, the main argument to avoid attacking Iran today is that it will cause world oil prices to temporarily skyrocket. However, if world oil prices at this time are already at record levels because of tension in the Middle East due to Iranian belligerence, what about after Iran gets nuclear weapons when it will inevitably get exponentially far more belligerent and aggressive? Well world oil prices due to the increased tensions will also inevitably rise simultaneously. Not to mention as well, that the nuclear armed Sunnis will also become far more belligerent and aggressive as well. Thus, exactly what those self-hating delusional leftists and equally delusional Ron Paul anarcho-kooks claim they are trying to avoid, will happen. Only, it will happen on a permanent basis as opposed to on a temporary basis.

Hence, since those astronomical sky high permanent oil prices will inevitably destroy the economies of the West, the West will be forced to go to war against the Islamic world, even though the West is infiltrated to the hilt by convert jihadists, precipitating a nuclear WWIII that will make WWII seem like a pleasant stroll in the park.

Therefore, the Iranian ruling Mullah regime must be stopped at all cost. Otherwise, if they acquire nuclear weapons with impunity, the world as we once knew it will very quickly come to an end.

With respect to Israel with a nuclear armed Islamic world, most Israeli citizens will emigrate to avoid being annihilated and will take with them their businesses and industries. Also, Israel's lucrative tourism industry will quickly come to a halt. In other words, Israel's economy and country will literally be destroyed. Therefore, a nuclear armed Iran and Islamic world will inevitably lead to the destruction of Israel. Hence, Israel doesn't have any other choice in the matter, it must act to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons program or set it back long enough for the Republicans to take power next January. Otherwise it will be the end of Israel.

That's hilarious, as actions speak louder than words. The truth is the Obama administration keeps creating more and more new regulations to drive up world oil prices in order to push for more and more green energy, which isn't even available and want be for decades. Meanwhile, he is putting America's national security irresponsibly at risk.

 

The so-called Palestinians are fake. They were created out of whole cloth by the Soviet KGB in 1964 as a disinformation campaign to dupe gullible useful idiots by camouflaging the Islamic world's permanent jihad of conquest being wage perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel under a cloak of nationalism, which is absurd since nationalism in Islam is blasphemous, as Sharia commands a worldwide caliphate. In any event, the fake so-called Palestinians get nothing because they are fake and little more than a proxy for the Islamic world.

The reason for Cast Lead was to stop them from bombarding Israeli civilian non-combatants on a daily basis for years.

 

Israel thinks the whole of the Eastern Med belongs to them..

Except when it comes to cleaning up an oil spill they caused in Lebanon.

Are you familiar with the long list of oil scams in Israel?

If this is for real.. it sure will be a first.

http://www.rgm.com/articles/fraud.html

 

LOLOLOL.. There were Palestinians long before 1964.. Were you born yesterday?

 

Uhm...I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Muslims never make legitimate peace with non-Muslim unbelievers, as that would be blasphemous and blasphemy is a capital offense in Islam. Instead, they make Hudnas modeled off of Muhammad's Treaty of Hudaybiyyah that are intended to be broken as soon as they perceive they have gained the upper hand, as all mainstream orthodox Muslims on earth are obligated, per the sixth and most important of pillar of Islam, to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against all non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme.

Not to mention that the so-called Palestinians, which were created out of whole cloth by the Soviet KGB in Moscow in 1964 as a disinformation campaign to dupe gullible useful idiots and to camouflage the Islamic world's permanent jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel under a false cloak of nationalism, are little more than the proxy of the Islamic world.

In other words, it will be a cold day in hell before the Islamic world ever makes peace with the Jewish unbelievers in Israel or with any other non-Muslim unbelievers around the world for that matter. Indeed, the entire peace process is nothing but a pretext used to dupe gullible useful idiots and to weaken Israel.

 

For once we agree. They were the Jews. When were you born?

 

I was collecting clothing for Arab Palestinian children with my Scout troop in the early 1950s..

And each in turn all my siblings and classmates made the two week Sunday school trip to Palestine.. the Holy Lands and Jerusalem.. which was full of Arab Muslims and Arab Christians.... called Palestinians.

The European Jews lived in Israel.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*)...no wonder you are so senile, you are older than the hills!

 

What nonsense..

Thousands of Americans who have been living and working in the Arab world for decades would laugh at your screed.