Why don't supporters of Isreal support getting the US off oil?

I am old... but hardly senile..

I just don't have the sort of roiling, compulsive hatred you exhibit.

 

If the "more mature" are going to be added to the Hated list -- along with Jews and Muslims , I shall have to take off my kid gloves and get down to some serious kiddie bashing .
Arrogant little Bar Stewards as we graciously say .

 

very funny given that there was a cease fire at the time...

and you do not mind killing around 1400 people, 400 of them children when these rockets, though scary I know had only killed 20 people in ten years. For that you kill 400 children. This must be the eye for an eyelash deal I have heard Israel has.

What was the real reason for cast lead? That Hamas was willing to have a cease fire and that might lead to calls for them to be let out of their prison and into talks and more difficult for Israel to make sure there was no Palestinian State, or was it just a little bit of fun before the Israeli elections or possibly it was about the Gas. The rockets were not the reason as there had been a cease fire which Hamas was happy to continue. Good bluff but not true.

so when are the Palestinians going to be able to get access to their gas - never mind their fishing rights. At the moment they face being shot by Israelis and having their boats wrecked while trying to make a living.

 

Of course it was about the Gas Fields.. Even now .. Israel is preventing Palestinian fishermen from fishing off of Gaza.

Its pretty much the same tactic as killing off all the Plains Bison to exterminate the Plains Indian.

 

The cease fire was repeatedly broken at the time by both sides. In my opinion Hamas caused it, I am sure you'll disagree but that's not the point, there was no cease fire when Cast Lead was launched.

Your 400 children claim is the highest estimate provided by a biased and unreliable source, most reasonably reputable estimates put the number of 'children' significantly lower. And lest we forget, 15-18 year old boys with guns are considered children too, while they are enemy combatants.

That a relatively small number of Israelis killed by those rockets was not for the lack of trying, while Hamas was investing in rocket launchers in school yards and ammunition caches in residential areas - Israel was investing in civil defence and bomb shelters. But a full quarter of Israel's population was spending their lives in those bomb shelters. Even though they were not getting killed I don't think any government including yours would tolerate that kind of situation long enough, would it?

 

70% of the people in Gaza were not born there... They are refugees from the West Bank.. What do you expect?

 

I expect their willigness to accept a 2 state solution. Unfortunately I am afraid OYM is absolutely correct in his post #21.

 

Not today, Not yesterday and Not tomorrow. No return to Horse and Buggy Low Tech for the USA.

 

Not the ones I used to live with. Since they are all highly educated individuals, they know full well that the Saudis are the lynchpin of the worldwide stealth global jihad.

 

You're confused again. Truth isn't hatred, lies are hatred.

 

You were hanging out with mercenary types... and temporary people... not exactly top drawer.

 

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What you mean you are afraid OYM is correct? OYM is 100 percent correct. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. What is taking place not only in Israel, but also throughout the world simultaneously as well is a run of the mill jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, per the dictates of Islam, which make is an obligatory duty for every Muslim on the planet to wage jihad against non-Muslim unbelievers until such time as every non-Muslim unbeliever living in the world has been brought under the suzerainty of Islam. All the other stuff, the false propaganda and the so-called peace process, are really stealth jihad. In other words, it is taqiyya. As Muhammad famously said, “war is deceit.”

Indeed, the only way for there to ever be peace between the Jewish unbelievers in Israel and the Islamic world or peace between any and all non-Muslim unbelievers and the Islamic world, for that matter, is to render Muslims incapable of waging both violent and non-violent jihad. In other words, their oilfields must be seized and occupied, their enormous unearned oil wealth seized and confiscated, not out of greed mind you, but in self-defense, mass Muslim immigration to the West, which in reality is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of infiltration and stealth demographic conquest, banned and reversed, and the Islamic world isolated from the un-Islamic world so that it will inevitably fall into abject poverty, since other than murder, mayhem, rape, and torture, Muslims are incapable of producing anything.

Once the Islamic world has been isolated and reduced to abject poverty, then the Jews in Israel and indeed all non-Muslim unbelievers will be safe from jihad. Then this situation must be maintained indefinitely until such time that the supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology of Islam becomes totally discredited and destroyed.

 

So for the sake of Israel you want to see the US reduced to abject poverty..

An Israeli poll released Thursday showed that 58 percent of Israelis oppose a strike on Iran without U.S. backing.

 

You wish that is what I said.

The case for attacking Iran hasn't been made yet to the Israeli people. Once that case is eventually presented those poll numbers will inevitably change dramatically. A nuclear armed Iran and Islamic world means the automatic destruction of Israel, even if they are never attacked with nukes.

It also means the possible destruction of the West as well, as oil prices due to exponentially increased tensions in the Middle East will inevitably be driven astronomically through the roof permanently as opposed to temporarily. Hence, the same exact predicament leftist loons and anarcho-kooks cite to attempt to scare people not to support attacking Iran will inevitably happen anyway, but on a permanent basis as opposed to only a temporary basis.

Thus, the West, which is massively infiltrated by covert jihadists and severely in debt, will have no other choice but to go to war against the Islamic world in order to attempt to save itself, which will precipitate a nuclear WWIII that will make WWII seem like a pleasant picnic in the park. Apparently, you aren't astute enough to calculate the consequences of Iran getting nukes, or otherwise you have a selfish death wish for you and your family.

Hell, even the lynchpins of the stealth global jihad, who you admire and worship, the Saudis and the Gulf State Emirates, are against the ruling Mullah regime of Iran acquiring nukes. Although, they have nicely made contingency plans for in the event that happens. As that massive Saudi owned Pakistani nuclear weapons arsenal that is far in excess of what is needed to destroy India many times over, will inevitably be distributed virtually overnight throughout the Sunni Islamic world in response to a nuclear armed Shi'a Iran.

 

Actually, we all held advanced degrees and graduated at the top of our class. Otherwise we never would have qualified to be hired in the first place.