Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

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  1. gnoib

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    They tested those vaccine, each one. Normally Phase 3 takes years, its a money question, this time money did not matter.

    Iver for humans is specially formulated and it was approved for parasitic diseases, ONLY. As a dewormer.
    It targets very specific parasites, that's why you have to change with livestock every 6 month or year the dewormer.
    Understand ?
    You want to use the human Iver for something else, you have to have clinical trials, first to find out if it works and than the dosage.

    All dewormers, including Iver are dosed on body weight, from humans, to pets to livestock, because they are actually a poison, meant to kill a parasite, which belongs to the great animal kingdom, a nasty living being. You give this poison once, in a controlled dose, for a SIX month period.
    Iver for livestock is a poison for humans and has serious side effects.
    Anybody who uses that, should drink Clorox, too.

    By the way I was once injected with a dose of human Ivec, after I returned from 12 month in the Central American rain forest, full of parasites and sick like a dog. It was one small piiiiieeeeeeeeks, once. Can't say if it made me sick, as sick as I was. But 2 weeks later them dammmmmm worms were gone and I felt good again.
     
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    It has not been certified for use in preventing or treating COVID.

    That's why the CDC and FDA recommend AGAINST using it for that purpose.
    Yes, that is one possibility. In that case there would be determinations of how to use it.
    This is false. There are fully tested and certified vaccines available.

    We are ALWAYS the test. That is, the FDA and CDC are always watching for issues. So, we've seen various medications decertified.

    In the case of the vaccines, there is a reporting mechanism that doctors are required to use. In fact, they are required to report cases where they believe vaccination had nothing to do with the issue.
    Yes, the FDA gave vaccines emergency use authorization after successfully completing phase 3 testing, which took about 9 months. At that point the FDA judged the risk of COVID to be higher than the risk of vaccines by a wide enough margin that the vaccines should be used.

    Since then, the last phase has been complete and that has resulted in certification.
    There has to be a division between whether the process is being used and whether the process need to be changed.

    It is NOT good enough to make up the rules as we go along.
     
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    HOUSTON - The controversial drug, ivermectin, is being prescribed widely in the Houston area by a local nurse practitioner who is eager to get the word out about the benefits it has for those battling COVID or even preventing it.

    Daniel and Morgan Wagner both had COVID in the past few months. Neither are vaccinated and Daniel had it the worst.

    "I figured since I was in my mid-30s and healthy, this would be nothing," said Wagner. "I would just get over it."

    That didn’t happen. His wife was the first to get the virus. She recovered from COVID she says due to the off-label ivermectin prescribed to her. Now she was taking care of him.

    "I am a stay-at-home mom. I treat colds for kids. I don’t treat bilateral pneumonia or Covid," she said.

    They got the medicine from Nurse Practitioner Sharell Marlitz who says she has prescribed the drug to nearly 2,000 patients. She says 600 of them were severe cases. She combines that with other medications depending on the case like Zinc and Vitamin C.

    "I follow up with every one of my patients, especially in that 600 group," said Marlitz. "I ask about side effects. Ocular pain is a big one, nausea, vomiting. Essentially no side effects so it baffles me why so many are hesitant."

    Video at link

    https://www.fox26houston.com/news/s...vid-19-despite-the-controversy-surrounding-it
     
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    Sooooo, A Nurse Practitioner who may or may not have authority to prescribe this drug is doing so - sounds like she may not remain registered for long
     
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    Obviously, that is NOT a clinical test.

    In fact, there was opposition to the vaccines we are using today on the grounds that the ACTUAL CLINICAL TESTING had not been completed!!

    This is a TOTAL double standard being applied.

    Basically, this is an assault on our entire methodology concerning science based medicine.

    It's the direction that says that any lab can create stuff and sell it, regardless of testing.

    It's the replacement of science based medicine with homeopathy and full on quackery.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I started taking fenbendazole which is the same as ivermectin. I first bought it at PetSmart. It is sold as a Dog dewormer. I take 1 gram every day....the same dose as for a 10lb. Dog. I don;t take it for China Virus. I take it for residual prostate cancer. No, I haven't acquired a craving for milk bones but I do chase cars.

    All kidding aside, I will never take chemo. To me that is a miserable stop on the way to death. I have done my own research and have read many testimonies and it is my decision. I understand the government or FDA would require billions of dollars in research to approve it for cancer in humans. If a drug company did that, how would they recoup the funds when I can by it at Pet Smart or Amazon for less than 6 dollars a week? It's not cynical ....it's just logical. So for me there is hope in this drug because it blocks the sugars that feed cancer. Anyone that seriously wants to look into it I would suggest mycancerstoryrocks.com. There are other sites too but this one convinced me!
     
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    So? Covid is a novel virus. Nothing has been approved to treat it. So we should just let people die while we wait on the FDA to approve something?

    That profoundly stupid.
     
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    But but but.... The FDA is all knowing, to do something they don't recommend is blasphemy, since bureaucrats that exist just to stop people from being sued know everything about medicine.

    Lol
     
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    okay they have no idea what long-term effects the vaccine will have they can't test that unless they have a time machine.
    so?

    In order to treat covid we would have to use drugs that are not approved you can't treat it with a vaccine that's too late. The vaccines preventative
    I understand perfectly you know some stuff about how hypermectin is used as antiparasitic.

    Are you think that's adorable but it has nothing to do with the subject.

    The idea is treating people with covid so that they don't die if you just want to let them die why not just walk in the hospital and blow their brains out.

    Why deny medicine that shows promise because some bureaucracy doesn't approve of it?

    it has gone through clinical trials and has been proven safe for humans.

    The only thing that's unknown is whether or not it can relieve symptoms enough so that a person suffering with covid doesn't die.

    If it does nothing who cares. There's not time to test anything people are dying right now.
    it was approved as safe for humans and proper dosage in 81.

    If you give it to a covid patient and it does nothing you are losing or risking nothing except for emergency approval of the vaccine.

    Ivermectin was deemed safer than aspirin in proper dosage
    So?
     
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    Oh, cut the drama. Ivermectin is already FDA approved. At most, the nurse practitioner is prescribing it for off label use.

    Obviously, the NP has had good results in using it, as the article and accompanying video indicates.

    Whlie not a clinical trial, it is a real world test involving, according to the NP, 2000 patients, with 600 of them being severe cases. The FDA should be looking at her data. Somehow, i get the impression it isn't.

    Speaking of clinical trial, have you ever bothered to find out what this supposed trial consists of? It's a joke from what I've been able to find out. IMO, the FDA has been foot-dragging on getting a trial going and the one it has set up seems wholly inadequate. Meanwhile, Pfizer is fast-tracking a COVID pill that seems to utilize the same mechanism as ivermectin.
     
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    If her registration is revoke it will be out of political spite and nothing else.

    Ivermectin was approved for humans in 1981. It's isn't dangerous. Even if it does nothing to treat covid the revoking of her certification will be only spite for daring to defy the bureaucrats.
     
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    The problem is, if it shows promise as being an effective treatment these people will have to eat their words. They would rather people die than taste a bit of crow.
     
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    More than having to eat crow, an effective widely available treatment exposes all these mandates as nothing more than control mechanisms.
     
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    I have to go by that philosophy, never attribute something to malice when it can be attributed to incompetence.

    I think a lot of this is just politicians trying to cover up their own incompetence. No doubt there are people using this to try and gain more power these people exist all the time.

    But politicians will do all sorts of things to avoid taking responsibility for their stupidity.
     
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    An interesting thing I was reading about the covid hospitalizations and deaths is that 80% or so we're vitamin D deficient. Vit D is known to promote healthy immune system. Since the primary source of VitD is sunlight it explains why there is greater infections in the winter months. People spend less time in the sun.

    The author then went on to hypothesize flu seasons coincide with vitD deficiency.

    I'll dig around for that article and if I find it I'll post it to you if you are interested.
     
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    I wouldn't doubt if it was true. Lack of sunlight isnt just a wintertime thing anymore, though. Too many a/c babies these days.

    I've always gotten my share of sunshine, plus I've taken a multivitamin for many years.
     
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    I've always worked outside so I've never felt the need to test my vitamin D levels except for when I was working night jobs and I did take a supplement then.

    Yeah in the field side of work then I haven't had much competition because there are too many AC babies like a little bit of sweat is going to kill them. And I work in the South so the winters are usually pretty mild

    I used to have a truck with no AC in it.
     
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    The following video exposes the way conspiracy theorists distort the actual trials carried out. It details quite clearly that not only is this drug not designed for any use associated with the virus, it is actually not effective and most certainly not fit for this new purpose. If anyone is in any doubt about processes related to new drugs being approved by the FDA, ask yourself this, what processes were used by these so called physicians, taking a drug used for malaria etc. and giving it without any extensive field trials, certainly no full documentation and without any official approval for that purpose.

    It's like someone going through the shelf in a pharmacy and trying things at random to see if they work with any number of illnesses. That is just not the way things should be done and if the pharmaceutical companies did this for an actual drug there would rightfully be public outcry.

     
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    You must be pretty ticked off at Phizer for taking an HIV drug already shown to be ineffective at treating Covid and combining it with a drug developed for SARS1 and trying to pass it off as a novel Covid-19 treatment. Oh, your puppet masters haven’t told you about this? LOL
     
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    Nope. I'm all for innovation if it is applied correctly and tested.

    And nope again. Sars1 and sars2 have 80% massive similarity so it totally makes sense to draw on any development pertaining to the former.

    I assume you mean using ritonavir to slow the body's metabolism?

    I don't have a puppet master and it appears you have completely ignored my entire post whilst quoting it all. As with all drugs developed, they need correctly applied field trials according to the industry standard. Are you afraid to respond properly? I mean, is it okay for some dubious doctors to misuse a product whilst you complain and make batshit allegations about one specifically being developed for actual purpose?
     
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    This type of thing is very common for the pharmaceutical industry; it's the norm, almost a rare exception for them to come out with a product containing something completely new.

    It's sort of like repackaging old things and finding different uses for it, or mixing it with something else to make it better.
    Then they use lots marketing hype to present it like it's a completely new product. It helps extend the length of the company's patent and brand protection as well.
     
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    Correct. BILLIONS of doses of Ivermectin have been given to humans for decades. It has won Nobel Awards for it's lack of side effects and the success. It absolutely works as proven by India and Mexico.
     
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    There is no "crow" to be eaten.

    Following the long established standard protocol is the issue. And, that is not a change of any kind.

    The outcome of legitimate clinical trials as required by that protocol is certainly not the issue. I hope it helps. And, if it does I hope we end up knowing what it is that is helped - prevention? Treatment of what symptoms? Etc.
     
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    You're missing the issue here entirely. Certain formulations HAVE been certified to be safe.

    There is NO certification that it is effective against COVID, either as a preventative or as a treatment.
     

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