Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

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  1. Bullseye

    Bullseye Well-Known Member

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    I figured out why the media is lying about ivermectin because the FDA is.

    The ability to have emergency approval for a vaccine only exists if there isn't any therapeutics. The existence of a therapeutic would remove the emergency approval of the vaccine.

    A supplement called NAC that was declassified as a drug and 1963 and used in hospitals for various drug overdoses and so forth he'll be the next guy from active they'll come out with something that it's an elephant hemorrhoid medicine or fish tank cleaner or what other crazy nonsense they come up with.

    It's to cover up incompetence. They can't lose the blindly faithful because that's all they have.
     
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    Cynical perhaps, accurate most likely.
     
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    The CDC does not get funded by big pharma.

    The first test in your list is titled:
    "A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 MAY reduce the duration of illness" It says nothing about protecting against contraction COVID - which is fine, it's just something not tested in this case.

    We should be looking for at least ONE test that is evaluated by the FDA as justifying certification of ivermectin for use against COVID in some specific way.
     
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    And the various vaccines MAY protect you from COVID. BTW India used Ivermectin, as does Japan, and both are seeing strong results. India, for instance, with 4 times our population has 320 deaths/million as opposed to our 2110. It has 100,000 fewer cases as well.
    Did you look at any of the other studies./tests? Do you understand the goal is to reduce the number of serious cases and deaths?
     
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    Ivermectin was approved as a general antiviral in 1981 by the FDA.

    They have to remove this approval because the existence of therapeutics means they no longer have clearance for the vaccines because the existence of therapeutics.

    That's why ignoramuses rant about it being horse-dewormer. They were told what to think by the media and they don't bother to learn reality.

    You are being manipulated if you don't understand the reality with regard to therapeutics they aren't a replacement for the vaccine the treatment for it after you get the virus. Removing this ability to get therapeutics is sacrificing people to a virus they don't have to die from to promote the vaccine.

    That is as evil as evil gets and who is at the heart of it a multi-billion dollar company.

    I would suggest not simping for multi-billion dollar overlords.
     
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    No, the vaccines have gone through GIGANTIC amounts of testing and have proven to reduce both the likelihood of contracting COVID, the severity of the disease if you do contract it, and the rate at which someone with a viral load can pass the disease to others.

    Your data on India does NOT meet US FDA standards for medical testing.

    I'm not going to search your list, because the FDA knows about all the testing that is going on, and THEY are the experts on what is an adequate science based test of a medication.

    I just looked at the first entry to see what might be in the list, and posted what I found.
     
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    I've never heard the FDA or anyone else with knowledge suggest that ivermectin approval for previously tested uses is going to be revoked.

    No, the reason for the concern about horse-dewormer is that there are (stupid) humans who are taking formulations of ivermectin made for horses or other animals.

    No, the FDA does the approval for medications. They have not approved ivermectin for use in either prevention or treatment of COVID. That has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ME.

    There is NOTHING more ignorant that accusing me of something that I could not possibly change and have never misrepresented. So, don't lay your ad hom on me.
     
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    You know you REALLY should read your own links - lols!

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
     
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    Btw. India and Japan don’t use ivermectin that was a rumour

    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...ment-and-its-still-using-the-moderna-vaccine/
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...es-on-covid-19-treatment-101632461755113.html
     
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    Then you aren't really informed.
    Concern for imaginary problems? Seems a waste to me but you do you.
    An antiviral drug not approved for a viral infection?

    Huh... Maybe that makes sense in your head.

    I can't make sense of it.
    it's my civic duty. If people think you are credible they might believe your incredible claim that an antiviral is not approved for treatment of a viral infection.

    Saying false things with conviction is how we are in this predicament.
     
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    There are lots of viral diseases. They do not all share solutions.

    If you think there is a serious study of ivermectin wrt COVID, YOU WOULD JUST CITE IT!!

    I've cited everything I've said - it is not coming from me.

    YOU are the one that wants people to believe YOU.
     
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    Those events have NOT been accepted as qualified medical testing for purposes of FDA approval for treatment or prevention of ivermectin.

    I have not looked into those events seriously enough to point out the issues with them.

    But, why should I? It's not up to me. We have experts who do that work.
     
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    an antiviral is nearly a treatment or a therapeutic if you will if you're having viral related symptoms such as pneumonia.
    why do you people always ask for studies as though that proves anything.
    so far all you've done is deny that a drug is used as an antiviral
    I couldn't give a crap less if you believe me.

    You're probably going to believe whatever CNN tells you to believe.

    Duh duh horse dewormer duh duh.
     
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    Science based medicine depends on serious testing for both safety and efficacy.

    Ivermectin has not been tested for efficacy in treating or preventing COVID.

    What you are proposing is pretty much equivalent to suggesting that we should have released COVID vaccines to the public MONTHS before the emergency move by the FDA.
    This last is just stupid.

    Nothing I've said comes from me OR CNN. For medical progress, I look to experts in science based medicine, including but certainly not exclusively CDC, WHO, NIAID.
     
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    ivermectin was approved as an antiviral in 1981.
    so?
    nope what I'm proposing is using an approved safe drug for its intended purpose.
    yes you're straw man is stupid.
    Lol funny joke.
     
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    I'm not interested in claims such as this. In fact, I strongly doubt that ANY expert is lying, as lying has an actual definition which is VERY different from the crap we see in the popular nonsense.

    I hope NOBODY listens to those sources.

    The bottom line is that science based medicine has NOT tested ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID in a way that the FDA, CDC or WHO consider adequate for approval for that purpose.

    THEY are the ones who approve medicine.
     
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    This has been thoroughly addressed multiple times.

    The bottom line is that the FDA, the CDC, WHO and others simply do not agree with you.
     
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    Except they do. The FDA approved ivermectin is an antiviral and 81.

    I'm sorry these facts offend you but just because they don't affirm your there it is doesn't mean they're not true.
     
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    This statement exposes profound ignorance.

    Ivermectin was never intended to prevent covid or any viral infection for that matter it was to treat symptoms such as pneumonia caused by viral infection.

    So if this doesn't work on cases where covid is causing this symptom are you suggesting that covid doesn't cause pneumonia?

    You really shouldn't talk about drugs and medicine if you don't know the first thing about it. It expenses you total charlatan and a media mouthpiece.
     

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