Why More White Men Are Dying From Gun Suicides

So why is gun ownership associated with a nearly 5 times greater risk of committing suicide?

 

What if that statistic was adjusted for geographic variables, gender, of whether the individual was a former military veteran?
As they say, correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Could be, for example, that some other third variable is causing both of those factors to be associated. For example, military veterans would be more likely to have a gun, and more likely to commit suicide (even if they did not have a gun), or people in a certain geographic region of the country could be both more likely to have a gun and statistically more likely to commit suicide, even though those two may not be related.

I would suggest before you try to draw an automatic correlation you try to adjust for some of these possible factors.

 

They key word here is associated. Not actually proven, merely associated, meaning that it is believed that there may possibly be a connection, but there is absolutely no evidence that would actually substantiate the claim and demonstrate that it is actual fact. It is nothing more than politically-based and motivated speculation. Firearms ownership is not an indicator of suicidal thoughts or tendencies, nor is there evidence that firearms ownership does or even can lead to the development of such.

 

Every culture has his own way to deal with violence. For instance Japanese and white people tend to deal with it with suicide when some other people prefer to kill other people.
For instance, Pakistan have a very high homicide rate but a very small suicide rate.

By the way, some countries manage to have both low suicide and murder rate because they're simply less violent.

 

I suppose you were counting on readers not noticing that the "study" was produced by the infamously dishonest Gun Ban lobby: VPC:

"States with Strong Gun Laws and Lower Gun Ownership Have Fewer Gun Suicides"
http://www.wrfalp.com/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-gun-ownership-have-fewer-gun-suicides/

EXCERPT "That’s according to a Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of data…"

We can easily imagine how VPC "analyzes" data in its well funded & relentless quest to eliminate our 2nd Amendment.

 

Short answer? It isn't.

 

Who is taking ANYTHING from you. A bit of inconvenience to save another life?

Seems fair to me!!

 

We seem to have reached a disagreement over values then.

 

Absolutely!!!

Compulsory pool fences were a bloody great inconvenience and expense - still are but they SAVE LIVES!!

Compulsory seat belts - bloody great inconvenience and added expense BUT THEY SAVE LIVES

Gun control - bloody great inconvenience and added expense but it SAVES LIVES

 

Long answer - where is your research validating this?

 

Yes and no

There is clear research linking the availability of guns to increased homicide in particular

 

I don't support any of those laws.

To each their own I suppose.

 

Mate - I have seen too many child drownings

They still haunt me at times

 

When did suicide become violence ?

 

Not living in a city run by liberals SAVES LIVES.

Not using the military for PC social engineering SAVES LIVES

Building the Trump Wall at the Mexican border will be expensive but it will SAVE LIVES.

 

Anyone that is proposing restrictions, prohibitions, and compulsory surrenders of privately owned firearms of specific types that have been legal for private ownership since the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, when the technology was first marketed exclusively towards hunters and sportsmen.

Except it is not "a bit of an inconvenience" and no firearm-related restrictions have ever done anything to save any lives. Not in the united states, and not in any other nation.

 

Such research is undermined when one looks at countries such as the nation of Mexico and Russia, neither of which is known for easy legal access to firearms, and yet experience significantly high homicide rates.

 

The pressures of modern day life. The tax burden for a start to live within modern day society is quite a burden for many. People can and do fall on hard times. If people get to the end of their tether and wish to get out, the thought of suicide is an answer but the thought of pain is there.

So people want out without the pain. Standing on the tracks as the train approaches at 120mph is one quick option. American society provides another, the gun. Bullet through the head. How many gun suicides are by bullet to head as opposed to bullet to leg to bleed out?

If you provide the tools, when life gets tough, those tools will be used.

But apparently, guns are there for just home and family protection, that old chestnut.

 

In the US, the gun suicide rate has grown by about 13% since 1999, with a success rate around 80%. The hanging/suffocation suicide rate has grown 88% since that time, with a success rate just over 60% and with around 12,000 deaths per year.

Guns are handy for suicide, true, but easily accessible common household items are an ever increasingly common and unrestricted method for suicide.

The only way to prevent guns from being used for suicide is to not allow their ownership.

 

Per the OP video most suicides are impulse driven with little in the way of forethought.

Access to firearms means that an impulse is more likely to be achieved than via other means where some other way of killing oneself must be devised or carried out.

You are correct that suicides are a major problem and we do need more access to effective mental healthcare in this nation that is NOT simply a matter of prescribing antidepressants.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-09-14/the-10-most-depressed-countries

 

I think you need gun ownership, but, the vast array of guns are not required. Plus, storage is important, I get the hint many Americans treat gun storage as a laugh.

 

This claim is not universality accepted in the field of mental health treatment.

 

Do you have any studies showing that to be the case because the OP video was citing facts and figures?

 

I do not, but there are several other posters with actual experience in the field who have claimed such experience in the past. Hopefully they we be along shortly.

One article in the field of study.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shadow-boxing/201302/spontaneous-suicide

One question that comes to mind: does "no visible warning" equate to "impulsive"?

To get back to the forum topic, how do you keep guns away from anyone who would use one for suicide?

 

Thanks for the link.

If someone is receiving mental healthcare whomever is doing it should find out if the individual contemplating suicide has access to firearms. Failure to do so strikes me as negligent and a failure to provide appropriate care.