Why should hotels be forced to install mechanical chair lifts.

Depending on the severity of the disability, you might not be able to do everything that you want to. Assuming you are strong in your upper body, you shouldn't be held back.

 

I do not know what it is like in Aus but in the UK all shops have to have disabled access, places of work and hotels,public buildings etc all over the UK are now fitted with ramps. New Taxis have to be fitted with disabled access. These are EU laws I believe.

 

I have already seen cranes used in pools,they are not some huge contraption but very basic with just a clothe seat. I am sure in the future they will be in all public pools. Disabled people need to be able to go to the pool.

 

You need to look up the definition of the word need. Try www.dictionary.com.

 

You need to look up the word disabled. Going on your logic we should just have them in a room and just feed them because that is all they need according to you.

 

To make a ramp, all you really need is a big block of wood cut to size. Doesn't cost anything at all.

 

You ever try to wheel a wheelchair while underwater?

 

Why would the wheelchair be underwater?

 

Well that is not really true. To make a ramp going into a building can cost a lot of money especially when that building has stairs. Some of the hotels that I have been in have a ramp going to a lift on the ground floor especially for the disabled and that cost them a lot of money to do,it cost more than a crane for a pool. Many others have long ramps coming up from ground level that run parallel to each other before they get to the doors of the building and that also costs big money to do. I have never ever seen a building that uses a big block of wood as a ramp as that would be dangerous and against health and safety laws.

 

Depends on how high high up the store is. If its just one step. you can buy a metal ramp from a hardware store. Our buses use a massive block of wood that folds out from the inside of the bus. If its not wood, its some kind of sturdy material, anyway.

 

I am talking about the UK here. The UK has been many health and safety laws as does Europe and they would not even allow you to just throw down a piece of wood to make a ramp. Of course if your shop is on ground level then you do not need a ramp but if you have two or more floors then you have to install lifts. All these ramps and lifts cost big money,much more than a simple crane lever to lower people into the water in a pool.

 

The cost is what Slyhunter is concerned about. If I was going to spend ten grand on a ramp, I'd want to know it would be put to good use. Its not something a small business owner could afford.

 

They do not cost ten grand,half that actually for a pool hoist.

http://www.dolphinlifts.co.uk/swimming-pool-hoists-and-lifts.html

 

Fair enough - it is a lot of money though. The government could perhaps cover half the cost to make it easier on the business owner.

 

I would think there would be some kind of government or EU grants available to cover some of the costs.

 

Don't you watch the Synchronised event in the Para Olympics?

 

Excuse me....but if they were able to get in...then they are able to get out, or did they magic themselves in and then forget the magic words?

Leisure Centres and local authority owned/run swimming pools have disabled access. All privately owned places don't...and don't have to if that is not going to be cost effective. What is your problem with disabled people choosing not to go to a pool without disabled facilities........or an hotel with a pool without disabled facilities...or is that too much like making them do some thinking and making some effort on their own behalf?

I don't stay in places without en-suite bathrooms....so I don't book into any hotel which does not have a room with an ensuite bathroom available at the time of booking...so simple and obvious.

 

Amazing........................just amazing

what about all your hero US troops coming back home in wheelchairs with arms and legs blown off? is this the normal American attitude for disabled

Allah what a sad people you are

 

Why not? Who are you-or anyone-to dictate what a disabled person can or cannot do?

 

Indeed-a simple hoist as used in retirement homes to aid the old or infirm to get in and out of the bath is not a hugely costly piece of capital equipment.

 

No you are not excused. Who says they were able to get in without a lift? I never said they were,you have basically just made that up to try and defend a very weak argument. Obviously some disabled people would need a lift/hoist to get in and out of the pool. I would think in the future that all privately owned pools run by private firms and opened to the public will be required to provide a hoist so that disabled people can access the pool. This will be a given.

 

They can either get themselves out, or you can lift them. A person with no legs is likely to weigh considerably less than someone with them.

 

Their carer should either be stronger than that, or she should simply recognize that there are limits to what her patient can be allowed to do.

 

In the later 1960s, the country was having a national debate on whether to implement some handicap access laws that would include some of the things we take for granted now, like curb cuts at corners - every corner had a high curb to climb!

One warming winter day, I am driving down a main 40 MPH 4-lane road by my home in Denver, and there is a guy in his wheelchair, obviously a Vietnam vet from his chair decorations, wheeling madly down the right lane of the road trying to get to the first driveway cut in the curb, about 200 feet from the street corner.

The streets are filled with slush and water and rocky ice, and cars are going by this guy at 45 MPH, just INCHES from his chair and showering him with slush and dirty water and sand and salt - he was SOAKED and COVERED with street crap and desperately exhausted from the terrifying ride!

AT LEAST 15 cars went past this guy until I and the guy next to me bot stopped, and fored the traffic to stop, and we waied until he finally got to the driveway where he could then get back on those sidewalk.

On that day, I promised myself that country filled with the kind of people who trashed that poor guy with COMPLETE CONTEMPT, and the kind of people doing the SAME THING on this thread, would be FORCED to pay for ANY handicapped access needed, and I have heavily supported in time and money those causes since then. A civilized country would do the right thing out of decency, a country filled with selfish self-centered a$$holes needs to FORCE the rude and crude to be decent.

That along with enough nukes to destroy the world dozens of times, with 400 BILLION dollar fighter jets that don't fight, star wars that don't star, with 100 billion for farm corporations and everything else, we can spend the money for our elderly and veterans and sick to join us in the public square and travel in decency and eat out at a restaurant and KNOW they can get in the FRONT door or go to the bathroom, and be able to join at least SOME of our regular activities!

Nowadays, we actually DO see people in wheelchairs going down the sidewalks, or to the store. Also, EVERYONE ELSE is happy to be rolling their wheeled carts and suitcases, UPS and deliverymen zip around with their dollies loaded with stuff being VERY productive, and it turned out these things were good for EVERYBODY,

But there is ALOT more to be done.

I hope God has a special place for those who think the handicapped are "too much trouble". They are sitting in nice hot fiery desert in Hell, right in front of a GIANT frosty cold keg of beer right at hand. Except the keg has round knob handles and all they have for hands to turn that knob are fingers curled into clubs (this is called arthritis!) .

Enjoy your "reward", you bastards!

 

Because humans didn;t build Mount Everest.

Humans DO build swimming pools!

Yeah, we can imagine the warm welcome the disabled get places that resent the handicapped. Every grudging look from staff the "extra services" required by law to be performed probably makes the handicapped person feel right at home!