Why Should Men Have ANY Say In Abortion?

They shouldn't. Because they are men, not women, and cannot become pregnant.

Men insist that they want the 'right' to decide what a woman does with her own body. They don't want her to have an abortion - because 'what about the father and his rights, blah blah'.

What does the father actually do contribute to that pregnancy? He has an orgasm. Yes, folks, ten minutes of ecstasy and an orgasm are all the potential father contributes to the fertilisation of that egg. You might not like it, but its the truth.

For the next nine months, the man can sit around twiddling his thumbs while the WOMAN does the hard work of actually carrying that fetus. She suffers the morning sickness, the back ache, the frequent urination, the swollen ankles, and SHE is the one who must endure childbirth, yet pro life men somehow think that their ten minute contribution is worth more than the 9 months the woman contributed.

Until men can become pregnant and endure pregnancy and childbirth, they don't have a say in abortion, and for them to claim that they should is disrespectful and rude - because without a woman, they wouldn't even be here.

So why do men seem to think that they have the right to control what a woman does with her own body?

 

First thing I have to say I don't really like this post, no offense Mak, but while it addresses pro-life men on the issue it leaves aside the issue of pro-life women who will attempt to stop abortion altogether as well. It's like saying, "well men shouldn't get a say on the issue at all!" and I disagree with this because I know many pro-choice men who have shared their opinions here. In terms of outsiders trying to tell people what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies I certainly do not believe anyone has that right and that goes for both men and women.

Now if a woman wants the input of a man in regards to her situation she will ask him and most women do. They discuss the issue over with their partner and often times both people come to a decision. If there can be no agreement however I believe the woman gets the final say. But I definitely do not believe anyone who follows the controlling pro-life mindset should be allowed to determine what a woman does with her own uterus.

 

I agree with what you said. There is a difference between pro choice men wanting to allow the woman to make her own decision, and a pro life man wanting to assert his control over her. And also there are women who oppose abortion, although I can't understand why, to be honest.

 

The child, even unborn, belongs as much to the father as it does to the mother. The baby contains an equal mix of both the mother's and father's DNA. If the mother has a right to the fetus because it is "hers", this reasoning should also apply to the father. It can be just as emotionally devestating to the father if he loses his child against his will as it can be to the mother.

The father has to pay child support if the woman chooses not to have an abortion. Should the father not have as much right not to pay child support as the woman has to get an abortion after sexual intercourse has already taken place?

 

Nope, remember the Anti-Choicers cry of "accept responsibility, HAVE THAT BABY!"....that means BOTH parties have to accept responsibility and the law says so too, so any man who thinks he can create a baby and then run out will find that the law can find him....


Now, I know that Anti-Choicers whole premise is based on misogyny and power and control of women but HA HA...the WOMAN calls the shots...

 

There are plenty of misogynistic women...they're also jealous and bitter...

 

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of those (usually women) that want to hold the man responsible for his role in sexual intercourse, but not the woman.
When a man gets a woman pregnant, he may be held responsible for child support payments for the next 18 years. When a woman gets herself pregnant, should she not also be held responsible for carrying the fetus within her?

Pro-lifers are not even telling her she has to be responsible for the next 18 years. I am only telling these women that they should have to be responsible for the next 6 months after the pregnancy reaches the 12 week point. A woman usually does not find out that she is pregnant to plan the abortion until 2 months into the pregnancy, so even the most ardent pro-lifers are only trying to make women carry against their will for 7 out of the 9 months of the pregnancy.

A man having to pay child support is contingent on whether or not the fetus is aborted. Seems like feminist pro-choicers want women to be the only ones given a choice here...
Not men. And not the unborn life in question.

 

Of all the pro-abortion arguments, and remember I am a lefty, this is the worst one Makk. Because you can't say men have no responsibility when I choose one way, but shared responsibility if I choose the other way. Following your argument - a man's wallet is his own. So why should a woman have any say in how he spends his money. If the woman chooses to have that little baby, why should the man then be forced to pay. I hope you do see how this is similar. Either the man has some involvement in the whole process, or no involvement, you can not have a situation where the women has the best of both worlds, total say in every instance.

I have a friend who would have been an amazing father. Who would have paid for the birth, and take care of the child, with as much involvement from the mother as she was willing to give. It was not a one night stand, they were in a stable relationship, and planned to fall pregnant. Then after she fell pregnant she left him for another guy - and aborted without his knowledge.

It is this very story that started to change my mind on the current state of abortions in my country.

AH

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Of all the pro-abortion arguments, and remember I am a lefty, this is the worst one Makk. Because you can't say men have no responsibility when I choose one way, but shared responsibility if I choose the other way. Following your argument - a man's wallet is his own. So why should a woman have any say in how he spends his money. If the woman chooses to have that little baby, why should the man then be forced to pay. I hope you do see how this is similar. Either the man has some involvement in the whole process, or no involvement, you can not have a situation where the women has the best of both worlds, total say in every instance.

I have a friend who would have been an amazing father. Who would have paid for the birth, and take care of the child, with as much involvement from the mother as she was willing to give. It was not a one night stand, they were in a stable relationship, and planned to fall pregnant. Then after she fell pregnant she left him for another guy - and aborted without his knowledge.

It is this very story that started to change my mind on the current state of abortions in my country.

AH

 

YUP! It's the woman who is pregnant , not the man, not you , just her....and she gets to decide . Oh the man had a choice, he could've just not had sex....

Misogynist control freaks hate that.

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This is exactly what feminists want to do. They want the best of both worlds, to eat their cake and still have it too.
They demand that the government not interfere with the individual's decision when it comes to abortion, but then they turn around and vote for a political party that seeks to do just the opposite, to take away the individual's right to make decisions for themselves, when it comes to gun control, taxation, healthcare, and much more.

This is exactly why fathers need to have some say in these matters. I bet your friend was devestated by this abortion that was committed without his knowledge. It must be even worse when you know your own child is going to be aborted and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

Well Whatnow, according to you, all sex is rape - it is as if the woman had no choice in the matter - she too could not have had sex, insisted on a condom, used birth control, she too made choices.

And yours is a cheap debate trick - if someone disagrees with my view, I'll just call them a misogynist, or racist, or homophobe, or what ever, because disagreeing with me OBVIOUSLY makes you a bigot, right?

AH

 

Less than 1% of abortions are done because of rape or incest.

Yep, that's exactly what these pro-choicers, Oops, I meant pro-WOMEN'S choicers, think:

"All men are rapists and that's all they are. As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
— Marilyn French, feminist writer and later advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign

"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
— Andrea Dworkin (not that she knows anything about men, being a lesbian and all)

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."
— Catherine MacKinnon

 

Nope, a misogynist is a misogynist, if it quacks like one and waddles like one it is one....if anyone doesn't want to be labeled a control freak misogynist all they have to do is treat women like humans with all the equal rights other humans have....anything less is misogynistic and sexist..


OK, a cheap debate trick that got a stupid response is worse than your blatant lie about what I posted?

Please show proof that I said "all sex is rape" ...I didn't so you did that "sin" thing with a big whopping lie....

 

Ah a lesson in a second debating trick, go on and attack, without debatting the point made. What I clearly meant is it sound like according to you all sex is rape, as you make it all about the man's choice and fail to mention the woman's choice, that is no lie.

So let us debate whatnow, without th name calling, and the labels without proof (can you do that please). So revisit my post, see the points made, and comment on them - does a woman have a choice in sex?
I yes, why is the man the one that loses his rights up to a point ,and then is given loads of responsibilities after a certain point?

In short, why does the woman have a choice from inception to birth and afterwards, but the man's choices end at inception?

I await your answer, you know the one without useless labels and insults.

Thank you

 

Abortion is much more about misandry:

Laila Namdarkhan (screen name “yabawife&#8221, a well known feminist activist who was instrumental in passing legislation in the U.K. regarding the mental health of women in prisons.





Wow, just wow!

If anything, fathers should have an equal say in the decision making process affecting their child, to prevent any possibility of feminism's "Final Solution for Mankind" ever coming to fruition.

 

Hey, how about one without lies!!! Wouldn't that be new for you! I never posted , and you canNOT prove, that I said all sex is rape.

When you make a point with honesty and intelligence I may debate it....so far you're just wrong

 

I dunno, why should flat chested ugly females pretend they're women? Could it be because they've been shunned more often than not, you tell me. blah blah'.

 

Yep, men should not have a choice in the matter, that leaves only 50% of the voting public to have a choice.

I guess when the argument is obvious bigotry, its not about rights at all.

In the New Progressive United States of America, there is only one voice.

 

Ah so you will not the debate the point whatnow, makes me wonder why, it really does.

Yes, you never said all sex is rape, I never said you said it either. But you did sure make it sound like it. So please answer my questions in the last post before this one, I'll repost them for you, as I am sure you will agree that there are no lies in them:

I eagerly await your answers

AH

 

Sorry, I forgot to add this:

Your words seem to imply that man is the only one with the choice here, the woman was made pregnant, with the implied meaning that she had no role in it?

So I apologise if I misunderstood, and I apologise if you felt I said you said it is rape, but you did sure make it sound that way.

But none of this invalidates my argument and my questions to you, questions I still hope you will answer, again without labels or insults.

Thank you

AH

 

Why? So you can lie about what I posted again?. No, you have been proven dishonest so debating with you is a waste...

 

Women already have a choice whether or not they become pregnant. But then when they engage in unprotected sexual intecourse and find themselves pregnant, all too often they just want to dump all the responsibility onto someone else (the fetus).

Most women who were seeking abortions for their convenience had never even bothered to make sure the man was wearing a condom. (there is such a thing as a female condom, so it's not all just the man's responsibility)
While 72% of women getting abortions surveyed had not used condoms with their sexual partners, 46% of the women had not bothered to use any form of contraception!

 

What if the guy doesn't want to be FORCED to pay for the baby for the next 18 years. What if the man wants her to get the abortion so he isn't financially liable for the kid. Shouldn't he be free to wash his hands and say ok, I'm not financially responsible for this kid past 50% of the cost of an abortion and that's final?

 

Most "pro-choice" feminists would tell you no. Like I said, it's all just about women.

Personally, I believe both the man and woman need to take some responsibility for their actions. Perhaps not for a whole 18 years, but at the very least 9 months. The life of another human being depends on it.

Is it "fair" ? Well, no. Women are the ones with the uterus. I guess that's just their lot in life, although nature more than compensates for this slight inconvenience by making women live 10 years longer than men.

 

With enough pressure you can convince all young woman Abortion is good thing.

Now the pro-abortion people say Abortion is safer than having babies, just when you got em beat on the facts, they make up some new hog-wash that must be disproved.

There is no compromise with the Pro-Choice (murder/abortion) that lie and deceive, how can one compromise when the Abortion movement is all based on lies and hiding facts.