Why the Masked and the Unmasked Have Disdain for Each Other

It is the switch from persuasion to coercion on the part of governments that has doubled down on the resistance to the vaccine.

 

i did my own research on thar "natural immunity" myth. the hospital is certainly correct NOT to waste a rare and valuable kidney on that person. hint : did his "natural immunity" from having covid protect him from the second bout?

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

MYTH: The natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination.
added protection for people who already had COVID-19. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can offer some protection from future illness, sometimes called “natural immunity,” but the level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age.

Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is also a safer way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccination helps protect you by creating an antibody response without you having to experience sickness. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness. If you get sick, you can spread COVID-19 to others. You can also continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection.

 

we tried treating you like adults, lost 2 good years to that nonsense.

 

His choice hasn't been taken over, and he hasn't been forced to comply. He was given a choice and he's made it. End of.

 

They only disdain I usually see are from people against masks. Look in your own thread and you have posters that approached people in their vehicles to ask them why they wear a mask and someone that question why people wear masks while riding a bike or outdoors. You don't see pro mask posters running up to people in cars or on bikes asking them to put on a mask. Usually the only people asking unmasked individuals to wear a mask are in places where a mask is required by the business. If a business makes a rule as a consumer you can simply choose not to patronize them. If a restaurants say no shoes, no shirt no service is it disdain when they refuse you service? That is not disdain that is enforcing the rules.

 

I’m vaccinated and got covid anyway. I finally tested negative yesterday 13 days after 1st symptoms.

 

how bad was it? did they shove a respirator down your throat or did you die?

 

Are you naive enough to think being vaccinated really protects you or anyone else? We know it reduces severity- but then, the immunity level gained from having had the disease does to. This man would have been subjected to immune-suppressing drugs as well, and especially so if the transplant surgery took place.

I now know around a dozen people- who have developed covid after having both vaccinations. That's just me alone, which says it's not at all uncommon, and I have a relatively small circle of people close enough to share such information. Nothing I've seen says that the vaccine has any reliable value other than to reduce severity. Everything else- is a dice roll

You use the words "helps" and "May" and "Can offer some" which makes it clear you know that none of those things are consistently true- NO absolutes; just maybe and might.

One thing for sure- is that this patient WILL die of kidney failure if the surgery is not done. Nothing maybe about it. But Anything related to the vaccine- is a remote possibility.
Can you not understand the difference? Death, or maybe?? The importance of dominating this mans right to choice was more important to these so called doctors than his life or death. THEY chose to let a man die for nothing more than wanting to control his personal choice- when everything was lined up to do the surgery, ready to go. That's not the choice that would be made by ethical, moral people, and you know it.

 

You're lying to yourself- and you know that too.
End? NO. The battle over this insanity is just starting.

 

A lot of those on the left can only have wished for that result. I had fever and then sore throat, cough, upper congestion, sneezing then lower congestion/bronchitis. Just came off quarantine with a negative test yesterday and am still physically weakened from the ordeal. About as bad as it can get for omicron on a vaccinated person.

 

Okay, great. So why are yall still bitchin about it?

 

I personally don't have any contempt for someone who wants to wear a mask if they want to wear one for the rest of their life more power to them. The problem I have is with the people who I think it's their duty to order me to do it as well.

That isn't about health that isn't about caring for other people and it isn't about preventing the spread of the virus. It's about collectivism. You must obey the collective. The divide between people who refuse to wear the masks and people who think it's their business to order everyone to wear a mask is deeper and more fundamental than masks. It's authoritarians against libertarian individualists. They don't care that it makes sense or not they care that the collective has issues this as a morality and that those who go against it are bucking authority. That's why they get so angry about it. That's why they ripped their masks off and get upset and screech and throw fits at people.

 

There are still mask fascists running around screeching at people.

I'll stop bitching when they stop existing. If you can't handle it don't read my posts.

 

This thread is trying to paint everyone on each side as against each other. I thought you started the thread.

 

The gov't had nothing to do with the Hospitals rules.
The man needing a transplant made his choice of his own free will.

 

Do business owners have a right to enforce a no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service mandate in their own business? Or are you one of those that yell at the poor register clerk for simply doing their job?

 

I don't care for the mask mandates now that there are vaccinations. It is highly frustrating however that the same people that refuse to wear a mask are the same people that refuse to get the vaccine, but I have no right to force anyone to do anything to their body.

If the price is they get sick, and we have to absorb the cost. We've wasted more on less so not the best situation, but it's the best I can endorse with integrity at this time. At this time means until the hospitals can't keep up. I might turn on you then to be honest.

 

Yes and I have the to disagree and say anything in want about it.

Nope

 

Because I live in an enlightened area with individual rights and personal freedom. Too many other places peoples liberty is being infringed upon.

 

Awesome. You said better than I did. Well done!

 

I did start the thread. There are far more karens who wear masks and demand others do so too or else than there are non mask wearers who demand others remove theirs. I oppose both extremes

 

By wearing a mask in a business that mandates it?

Do you feel your liberty is being infringed upon when that same business doesn't provide you service for walking in without shoes and a shirt?

 

So you are unable to comprehend that reducing the severity by vaccination is far better than reducing the severity by getting infected and surviving it. Got it.

 

Not a vaccination is the traditional sense and not a vaccination since it's experimental.

 

Do you realize, if we rely on perpetual vaccinations to deter the effects of each Covid strain, we will have Covid restrictions in place forever?