Why the Whining About the rise in Virus cases now?

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scanning the front page of NYT and The Washington Post, all the top stories are about Covid19, the big story that the protests had overcome and submerged. But Covid is back with a vengeance.

    On the NYT home page, the entire "above the fold" space is devoted to Covid19. After that, there is one protest-related story, "How the Philadelphia Police Tear-Gassed Trapped Protesters". On the WaPo home page, the "above the fold" area is full of Covid19 headlines. Then there are a few things about the 2020 elections. Finally, near the bottom, in tiny print, I see "Perspective/Toppling more statues isn’t working when there’s other work to be done."

    I really think a big decision was made to stop talking about it! I'm just going to guess: Word got around that the ongoing protests were hurting Democratic Party candidates.
     
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    No, that is 8.3% for covid alone. You need to compare the deaths against the total resolved (death + resolved) and that number takes into account the fact that some states don't report recoveries by the way.

    And there is a faaaar difference between "death" and "poses little threat."

    And there is absolutely zero currently existing universe where the flu ppses a larger risk to any demographic, including the immunocompromised.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Reduce it by 10x and you still get a mortality rate that is 8x higher than the seasonal flu.
     
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    People are "whining" because they can see other countries that handled this much better, meaning we could have handled this much better.
     
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    So they will be in just as much danger as the protestors and their perpetual political shadow, the violent rioters? Why didn't the Covid-19 alarmists worry about their physical health while they dominated the news for week after week? But also, it's only now that the rioting is finally beginning to die down while Trump is beginning to campaign that the collective political Left re-discovers Covid-19? Gasp! It's almost as if the Dem Party's leadership has got a cynical political agenda . . . .
     
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  6. Pycckia

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    Or you can look at the countries that handled it much worse and think "at least we are not as bad as the UK or France."
     
  7. MJ Davies

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    As others have stated, it's mainly because we have a "quick fix" mentality. People don't care about the details. They just want a problem to GO AWAY even if we have to pretend it's gone.
     
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  8. Rugglestx

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    Yeah who cares about the economy going off the cliff, nothing very bad could come from that....

    I wonder if some people really believe the insanity they post.
     
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    Or Italy....

    Guess those vaulted national health care system have a few issues to work out.

    Hell we can look at NY to see how poorly it can be handled, thankfully the rest of the nation saw that train wreck and perhaps leant from it.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you prepared to sacrifice your health or life, or those of your loved ones, to save some businesses or stock investments?

    We've got a central bank and a large federal government to handle the economy, something past generations didn't have or had less of. The Great Depression happened because there was no quantative easing and that sort of thing available yet. We'll weather this storm much better than our grandparents and great grandparents did no matter what, but this virus is still quite dangerous and deadly. It's a lot easier to handle some economic upset and prevent economic collapse today than it is save those who are most severely affected by this virus, especially when it threatens to overwhelm our hospitals, making the situation more perilous for everyone (not just COVID patients) who need hospital care, not to mention the poor healthcare workers.
     
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    Right. Florida and Arizona have quite a ways to go to match Cuomo's much vaunted response to Covid-19!
     
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    Because you selectively choose which information to consume, so as to maintain your now absurdly insane support for the most transparently terrible leader in US history. For example, Michael Osterholm, who is the head of CIDRAP, has estimated that between 5 and 15 percent of people have likely been exposed to coronavirus and therefore have anti-bodies. I highly recommend their work in general. It is apolitical medical information for a non-medical audience.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/

    Lastly, the rest of your post is a silly collection of straw men, so it isn't worth the time to respond to.
     
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    Wearing a mask helps, but if the rest of society refuses to wear masks as well, the benefits are greatly blunted. Near universal masking would make an enormous dent in the spread of coronavirus, but there are too many people in this country lacking even the most basic decency, unwilling to participate.
     
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    You are correct.... keep those numbers rising....

    Florida
    Texas
    Arizona
    Arkansas

    It's kinda like the Super Bowl of Stupidity....

    But we HAVE to be getting close to that "zero-case" threshold promised by our Idiot POTUS, right?
     
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    Sacrifice? No.

    Risk? Yes, been doing it daily since this started in my tiny part in the supply chain. People like me are why you had food to eat today I would bet :)


    Some economic upset?

    Talk about a understatement....

    The economy is not a light switch that you can flip on and off at it just "works" when you do. The disruption cause by the shut down will be take years to fully correct. Some people are going to lose everything, some already have.

    And that is just the US economy. How does your compassion for the people health reflect what is going to happen in the Third World due to the economic crisis caused by closing? Famine, war and absolute poverty will rack parts of the world. Instead of the majority of deaths being the elderly it will be infants and children as well as all other age groups.

    Like so many you appear to be most concerned about you and your circumstances and are thus willing to sacrifice other to the economic abyss. For the record my family has not lost a dime to the pandemic, nobody in my family has missed a day of work. In fact as some of my pay in incentive based my yearly bonus is looking to be much higher than normal due to the shutdown.

    My concern for the economy as a whole.
     
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    Are you a farmer?
     
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    Agree with your reasoning. Seems a solid overview of the mistakes. As for why America chose to surrender, rather than fight, remains the great mystery. May have something to do with so many citizens (and leaders) regarding it as a personal/political affront, rather than a common enemy. Like that bratty kid down the street taunting you .. so you do your level best to pretend you didn't hear. Meanwhile, Vietnam punches him square in the nose.

    PS: How Australia responded at the outset was ... badly. The citizens were begging for a full lockdown, but Govt kept stalling and changing the rules. But once we started getting hundreds of new cases daily they could no longer pretend it was optional, so shut it all down. It was across the nation, and simultaneous.
     
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    No it doesn't. It doesn't want sick old people at all, because they die and take the virus with them. It wants healthy people who'll spread it far and wide.

    America chose not to fight it, and now you're seeing the consequences of that choice. As are countries reliant on America, as you rightly point out. All because you couldn't handle two months of nationwide lock-down. The richest and most powerful nation on earth, couldn't do what much poorer and weaker nations have done.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    No nation on earth has handled it as badly as America, at this point.

    Either way ... since when does America compare herself to the worst of the bunch, instead of claiming supremacy in all things? You threw away all that exceptionalism in half a year?
     
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    The VIRUS doesn't care about your economy. In order to save your economy, you have to fight the VIRUS.

    How does this need explaining?
     
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    I don't care about people getting a virus that doesn't kill or permanently injure them. The healthier the population the more resistant it is to ALL contagions. Maintaining the supply lines that we depend on to stay healthy and fight infection should be priority#1, with all other preventative measures being secondary to that.
     
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    Supply chain. All the farming in the world is not any use to most people without the supply chain rolling.
     
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    Look everyone the liberal left off California….again.....not much integrity on the left these days it seems.
     
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    No one gave a pass to riotors and looters so blow that **** out your ass.

    And if the Virus demands a shutdown or masks...then yea...IT "bosses us around"
     

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