Why These High School Girls Don’t Want a Transgender Student in Their Locker Room

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  1. Pax Aeon

    Pax Aeon Well-Known Member

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    "Speaking out, they knew, could make them the public face of a very private issue. It could lead their classmates to call them “bigots,” “insensitive,” and “homophobes.”But after seeing their high school back down to threats that the U.S. Department of Education would strip away federal funding, and watching school officials overrule their parents, a group of six high school girls in Cook County, Ill., decided to speak out.

    On Dec. 7, before a crowded school board meeting packed with news media, they would tell the world why they don’t want a high school student who was born male, but identifies as a female, to use the girls’ locker room. They would tell the world why allowing a transgender student to see them in a state of undress would be an invasion of their personal privacy.

    They would explain why, at 15 and 16 years old, changing alongside biological women is already hard enough.“It is unfair to infringe upon the rights of others to accommodate one person,” the six girls, in a joint statement, told an audience of at least 500.“Although we will never fully understand your personal struggle,” they said, addressing the transgender student, “please understand that we, too, all are experiencing personal struggles that need to be respected.” - Source
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    I've spent my adult life so far, promoting Gay Rights, especially Same Sex Marriage. While that issue has been legally settled and these are still many concerns regarding the other rights of the gay community, the matter of transgendered rights is coming to the forefront ---- and I'm ambivalent about it.

    My two youngest daughters, ages 12 and 13, were discussing this with a bunch of their friends here and while they were brought up to respect and tolerate the rights of others, such respect has hit a road block when it comes to sharing lav and locker room facilities with a male to female student. They and their friends are solidly against it. For the most, I agree with them. The concerns are pretty much outlined in the article. To me, this is a right to privacy issue.
     
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    I agree. There can't be more than a handful of transgenders nation wide in junior or high school who would want to use the girls locker room. Accommodations can be made for the transgender student.
     
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    One of the reasons the public school system is in a downwards spiral is their emphasis and preoccupation with non-academic concerns such as this. This isn't a religious issue, it's one of civil rights. So long as a school can provide reasonable accommodations, this should not be a concern that violates the rights of others.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    We divide bathrooms by gender, not gender identity.

    I've decided that's where my line is.

    If you've had the operations that change your gender, then you can be that gender. If you haven't, like Mr. Caitlyn Jenner hasn't, then you're still whatever gender you've always been no matter what you "say" you are.
     
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    only after gender surgery should they be able to use ladies bathroom
     
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    I agree.
    Thank you for posting this. I have to say it is nice to see someone who advocates for gay rights see that this is a different issue. I'm sure there are many others that share your view. I just don't hear it said very often.

    I have sons and would not have wanted them sharing a locker room or facilities with girls. But I do have granddaughters who will start school soon. I do not like the thought of boys being in their bathrooms or locker rooms.
     
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    I haven't personally experienced this so maybe I'm too far from the situation to judge. However I am a gay woman, and I can't help but think if you have a problem with a transwoman sharing the locker room, you would have an issue with a lesbian sharing the locker room. After all, we would be interested and looking right? I've never thought about someone sexually in a situation like that. So why am I off the hook as a gay woman if a straight identified transwoman isn't?
     
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    Then you would be figuring wrong. I'm bisexual and have dated lesbians. To make this simple for you, bathrooms should be assigned by like-parts. Penis's here, vagina's there. Problem solved. This is a right to privacy issue. Perhaps you feel that "rights" is something only certain people have????
     
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    I personally think the public should decide this. They own the schools they post the mortgage and the teachers. No laws no rules from anybody but the people that own the school. I'm very sure they would decide on the policy you suggested.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right...
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    ... no taxation without representation."
     
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    The public does....that's why we have elected representatives. Furthermore, the "Right To Privacy" is a constitutional issue and if need be, will have to be adjudicated by a federal court.
     
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    huh?

    who are we to deny them their rights even if it's just one individual

    We have simply accepted the fallacy of "born homosexual" but you won't accept the fallacy of "born into wrong body"?

    If we as a nation are going to impose the acceptance of a sexual lifestyle, then we must do it for all lifestyles be it homosexual, necrophilia, pedophilia and even cross dressers.

    That is the slippery slope created when trying to equate gay-sex with how one is born. You either accept and reward ALL deviant sexual behaviors or you accept none of them. These teen girls should sit down, be quiet and accept progessivism. So what if a teen boy claims to be a girl just to get a glimpse of teen girl boobies? The teen girls need to be taught that it's all in the name of acceptance and they must comply.

    If a Christian can be forced to provide services for celebrations of gay-sex then little girls should be exposed to those little boys, and even grown men, who wish to see them

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    please stop preaching the Constitution when forcing the gay lifestyle upon Christians is against the Constitution

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    huh?

    then should a baker, without punishment by the govt, be able to refuse to write "happy homosexual" upon a cake?
     
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    Hypocrisy does not serve you well.

    To claim to be an advocate for one deviant sexual lifestyle and then be against another.........................the irony is thick
     
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    That reminds me of a joke I heard. A cowboy was sitting in a bar trying to make it with the woman sitting next to him. In a huff, the woman said, "I'm a lesbian, I like women." Then she got up and walked away.

    The cowboy partner walked up to him and asked what happened? The cowboy said, "I just found out I was a Lesbian."
     
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    I agree
     
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    Nobody. But what rights are being denied.

    I can accept it.

    No We must not.

    No it isn't.
    so far we reward and accept none of them.
    I don't support your progressivism.

    They aren't.
    So since we don't force Christians to celebrate "gaysex" there is no need to do this.



    Nobody is.

    Yes, and they aren't. So I don't get your confusion.
     
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    In my opinion a person does NOT quality for being considered a transgender in any legal context prior to SRS - and even then should not be considered the opposite gender in athletics. Athletics should be singularly defined by DNA since the physical bone structure of males and females are not the same.
     
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    then why do not we not demand a test to confirm that one actually lives the homosexual lifestyle?

    You can't have it both ways. You either give special accord to all deviant sexual behaviors or you give it to none.
     
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    By deviant sexual behavior do you mean anything other than missionary style sex?

    "Deviant" sexual behavior is entirely allowed to heterosexual married couples, though used to be illegal in some jurisdictions. Do you want such behavior of married straight couples criminalized again? Maybe their marriages should be revoked?

    A couple at their wedding reception French kiss. Someone captures that on video. Turns it over to the government. Marriage is declared VOID! I mean that is really deviant and disgusting, wouldn't you say? And don't even get us started on anal sex, oral sex and sexual aids/toys by married heterosexuals. Minimally the marriage declared void, correct?

    Actually, missionary style sex should be illegal and void a marriage. Dog-style is more effective for impregnation,
     
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    The boy who claims to be a transgender person is still biologically male and he could only be a crossdresser who enjoys dressing like a schoolgirl. I think he should use a male locker room but if he is part of a women's team of any sports, it's more complicated. Perhaps this student should not be given preferential treatment because of his gender issue and he should tone down his sexuality so that he can conform with the norm in a patriarchal society, which would help him get his life together in the long run.
     
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    So it appears that you are not as "tolerant" as you imply. If you believe in deeming those who have gay-sex as being akin to race, then you must also do so for cross-dressers, pedophiles et al.

    Or, does your tolerance of sexual deviancy have its limits and your position hypocritical?
     
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    Not by liberal standards, because someone is still going to feel left out.
     
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    Your opinion in what is deviant should hold no meaning.
     

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