Why would trump exec order to make it easy to fire Civil Servants

See, even if you are a republican, but NOT Dedicated to Trump he is going to fire you. You may be working at the hoover dam and a diehard Bush fan... FIRED ! Once a trump loyalists tells on you


Ronald Sanders one of Trumps OWN Political Appointees wrote in his resignation :
The Trump administration-appointed head of a key advisory council on the civil service has resigned over an executive order to strip away protections against political interference in hiring and firing for a large portion of the career federal workforce.


The order, which could affect tens of thousands or more career positions involved in making or carrying out policy, “is nothing more than a smoke screen for what is clearly an attempt to require the political loyalty of those who advise the President, or failing that, to enable their removal with little if any due process,” Ronald Sanders wrote in his letter of resignation Sunday from the Federal Salary Council.

“I simply cannot be part of an Administration that seeks . . . to replace apolitical expertise with political obeisance. Career Federal employees are legally and duty-bound to be nonpartisan; they take an oath to preserve and protect our Constitution and the rule of law . . . not to be loyal to a particular President or Administration,” he wrote.







Only one answer, so he can get rid of those not 100% Dedicated to him. Every President in the past has worked with Civil Servants whom may be right or left leaning. It is their personal beliefs NOT TO TOUCH. Not good enough for Trump. All the People at the rallys right now have not a clue of the corruption. The stuff he complained others did he does himself in plain sight.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d05a22-17a4-11eb-82db-60b15c874105_story.html

Trump appointee resigns over the president’s order removing job protections for many civil servants





Here is the list for further reference. Everyone needs a copy to know whom will be taking away your freedom if Trump wins again. These are the people that will be elevated into the Marxist Regime... with a win

https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_White_House_staff

 

Moot Point.

Trump WILL LOSE.

 

Nah, Biden has already lost. More, given the way the SCOTUS has ruled on executive orders, the likely isn't a path to overturn this even years from now after Trump is term limited and retires...

 

Pac the Court, no worries

 

Whom do you suppose will do this? Biden has already lost Are you suggesting that some for distant future democrat will win the Presidency and attempt to change this? When again?

And to be clear, why would ANYONE want a life tenured super legislature? Even democrats, given the rate of their losses, are you suggesting the Trump take the caution and actually get more justices approved in congress and start putting really young nominees up for the duration? I mean, you might want to be careful about what you're advocating, cause when Biden loses, here you are asking for republicans to do this, right?

 

Operation drain the swamp is what he should call it..

 

It's been next to impossible to can civil servants that do a sub-par job. It's been reform..

 

Even FDR said public Unions are wrong

 

Again, why is this wrong? Many of these positions, it's an act of congress to get a poor employee removed. It should not be some damn difficult to remove poor performers.

 

Can someone remind me, what product or service federal employees provide for me to care if they lose their job for poor performance?
Because in the real world (read private sector for you fed employees) that’s how $h*t works.

 

I just see it as partisan politics as usual. Maybe it is because I have an uncle who runs a state park/resort and has for ages. When there is a democratic governor, he switches his party affiliation to democrat. When there is a republican governor he switches it back to republican. Has his whole career with them in order to keep his job.

 

Take a deep breath. Don't get too excited over the BS you are reading. The US Civil Service and associated merit protection is established by Federal law. W Bush tried to eliminate Civil Service merit protection by reorganizing a large chunk of the Federal work force into the Department of Homeland Security and then making them Excepted Service positions. This effort was stopped dead in it's tracks by the Treasury Employees Union and a Federal Judge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excepted_service#:~:text=The excepted service is the part of the,hiring processes to be used under certain circumstances.

I am guessing you are a Federal employee and if so what you should be worried about is Biden doing away with your excellent health insurance and forcing you into a single payer insurance plan -- where you would get the same insurance as the non government workers. And that would really suck wouldn't it?

 

I couldn’t agree with you more strongly there.

This is clearly an attempt by the Trump people to start setting the stage for a purge should they survive the election.

 

Thanks for reminding me that this isn’t the first attack on an independent civil service by a GOP president. I had actually forgot that Bush had tried that.

That was about the time Crazy Uncle Rudy was trying to get his driver, Bernie Kerik installed as the Department’s first Secretary.

 

Dirty Donald wants to be able to fill the empty slots he creates with his swamp rats.

 

That’s obvious. The challenge is that he has yet to fill the political position he already controls!

 

I would use the word win in place of “survive”. It’s almost like you’re rooting for violence Tommy.

 

Did you also get the point that Bush tried, failed, and understand why he failed?

I was one of the initial DHS employees and knew people who the Bush transition team met with to create DHS and I don't remember anything about Bernie Kerik being considered as the initial DHS Secretary. As far as I know Tom Ridge was always the Bush pick for the job. If you have any information to indicate otherwise I would be interested in seeing it.

BTW. Are you a government employee? And if so that Federal health insurance is pretty darn good eh what? Be a same to see it go away under Biden. Also, take note that Trump gave Federal employees a pay raise.

BTW, the first "attack" on the Civil Service that I am aware of occurred under Ronald Reagan per OMB Circular A-76 which outsourced a good part of the Government.

 

I once worked for an agency that had an employee who claimed to have hurt his back putting a ream of paper in a copy machine. He then "worked at home" for about five years. This employee was passed around from manager to manager like a hot potato. At one point he worked for the same boss I did at which point I observed this guy was given no work assignments and produced nothing. I recollect he was a GS-14, but possibly a GS-15. Finally after 5 years he was forced to retire. Now here is the $64,000 question. Can anyone guess what the race of this employee was? Hint - some poor performers are more difficult to remove than other poor performers.

 

This isn't about the quality of the employee. This is about the employee's political beliefs. Given the freedom Trump would have fired people across every department so he could replace them with lackeys.

It was decided some 150 years ago that the civil service should be free of this type of political influence.

Riddle me this...

When Trump loses in 8 days and walks off to his well deserved confinement on 1/20/21, do you want this rule in place with a new Biden admin? Do you want Biden lackey's hunting down those not 100% on the Biden train and firing them so they can be replaced with loyalists?

 

Don't know what race he is but I do know what makes up most of your wardrobe.

 

Long lines at the DMV and IRS, you get the pleasure to catch up and read Moby Dick

 

If you are a liberal trying to play the race card you obviously have never worked as a Federal employee in other than the most low grade job. No manager in the Federal Government wants to have a compliant filed against them with the EEO office. Such complaints damage your career. This is reality in the Federal work force. Something you obviously know nothing about.

As a Senior Manager in the Federal Government, I mostly used contractors to get things done, but from time to time had to hire actual government employees. I always picked the most qualified person and as it turned out most of my hires were minority employees. With respect to contracts I always used 8A companies (minority owned) so I could do sole source procurements. So your implied racism claim is total BS.

 

Worked as a government employee.
Worked as a contractor for the government

I didn't and still haven't introduced anything about race. That would be on you. AND if you were a federal manager that comment would be enough to have you, rightfully I might add, removed as a manager.

 

This may be a shock to you, but there are thousands of political appointees in the Federal Senior Executive Service that run Federal agencies. If Biden wins he will pick the people in these positions although around 30 percent are subject to Senate Confirmation.