Why would trump exec order to make it easy to fire Civil Servants

Retired and I can say what I want to who I want. Of course here that is limited by forum rules.

It must really suck to live in a world ruled by political correctness.

 

Your article is behind a paywall and even in incognito mode requires a subscription. What protections exactly does the order remove?

 

OK since the OP didn't explain what exactly are the changes I went and looked

"The order, signed Wednesday evening, targets workers that are involved in developing policy. It would reclassify workers "in positions of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character" that are "not normally subject to change as a result of a Presidential transition" into a new category called Schedule F, according to the text."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/trump-order-strips-worker-protections-431359

Well DUH, policy making IS politics and the President is elected to carry out HIS policies not their own. And it is VERY limited

"Under the new schedule, they would be exempt from protections that apply to most federal workers — allowing agencies to hire and fire them more easily and quickly. The Senior Executive Service, which consists of those serving in high-level positions just below presidential appointees, is exempt from the order, according to an emailed statement from the White House....

..."This executive order strips due process rights and protections from perhaps hundreds of thousands of federal employees and will enable political appointees and other officials to hire and fire these workers at will."

If I work in management at a company and new management comes in and that new management doesn't like my management style or how I organize my responsibilities or the policies I issue they can fire me, we part ways. But read the list this doesn't apply to EVERY federal employee but a limited policy making group.

 

As did George Meany President of the AFL-CIO and Mayor LaGuardia of New York and labor union supporter.

 

Do we really want to allow the persons in charge of our national defense and security and other vital services to strike and blackmail the taxpayers?

 

The action of bouncing governmental employees is not race based. As you are aware, it is VERY difficult to remove a bad employee once they've passed their initial hire probationary period. As a workaround, many managers will give glowing recommendations to get rid of a bad employee. I worked for city and state government and both my parents worked for the government. It is very common, ridiculously counter-productive and dysfunctional but hardly based on race.

 

With respect to your comments about contracts:

Unless you were a CO or COR you didn't pick minority providers and If you were a CO or COR you did little to manage contractors beyond making sure their timesheets were filled properly. Soooooo

FYI:

I did contracting under the FAR, AFAR and DFAR as a COR
I ran a business doing government contracting (veteran owned)
I worked as a contractor employee for the federal and several state governments

If you were a CO or COR this comment
"Can anyone guess what the race of this employee was? Hint - some poor performers are more difficult to remove than other poor performers."

Would have been sufficient to have you removed from the contract and have every contract you've worked reviewed for bias.
The response as a manager would depend on previous conduct and nature of your position. Expect, as a minimum, equal opportunity training.

 

And it may be a shock to you but we're not discussing the SES or political appointees. Try to stay on topic.

 

So parsing the "government-ese" we get "reclassify workers "in positions of a confidential character" into a new category called Schedule F

Trump declared the Covid meetings classified. That meant that Fauci is now a "worker of a confidential character" and can be fired because he's telling the truth.

NOW

Imagine turning Biden loose on CPB, ICE, and the other agencies with this authority.

 

We are talking about employees leaving with a change in administration. That is the topic. And guess what. When an administration changes SES employees depart.

 

If you don't grasp that some people take advantage of EEO protection to perform poorly you are at best naive.

 

And of course, you don't grasp that those programs exist because of people like you.

 

Agree with some of what you say. A poorly performing employee in the Federal Government has to be put on a remediation plan per my recollection. If they conformed to the remediation plan for a year, they resumed their previous status. Then, if the poor performance resumed after some interval, it was back to square one with another remediation plan. A cycle that could go on for years. However, I have seen poorly performing employees file EEO complaints at the drop of a hat and therefore, in my observation, managers in the Federal Government were fearful about addressing performance issues with minority employees.

 

A totally unsupported false claim. The majority of the people I hired were minorities and I never had one EEO complaint filed against me.

 

No, survive is fine. Trump fully intends to rig the election or find some way of declaring it invalid, or cheating it somehow. Whole swarms of GOP and Federalist Society types have been working on it for a while. The only question is whether the election will be close enough for them to implement any of their plans. Of course, that too depends on whether they feel inclined to exercise their opportunity to dump him.

Trump cloud care less about winning by any rules. So, survive will do.

 

Yes, and Trump’s order will greatly expand that pool. Setting the stage for a political purge of the civil service. Something that happens in banana republics and places like Russia.

Be in no doubt that that is EXACTLY what Trump intends to do.

 

I wouldn't get too concerned. Seems likely to me that the order in question will be overruled by a Federal Judge.

 

It happens all the time and many supervisors don't want to be bothered with remediation plans until there was absolutely no way to just push along a bad employee to another department. Again, I do not believe it was solely based on race. In fact, I know that's untrue.

 

With respect to changing the Civil Service system I believe to some degree the existing inefficiency of the entrenched bureaucracy is a control in the same sense that separation of powers is a control.

 

he certainly did

 

Why would trump exec order to make it easy to fire Civil Servants?

Theres no reason it should be harder to fire public sector employees than it is to fire private sector employees.

 

Any measure that the civil servive disapproves of is a measure worth implementing.

 

The executive order provides flexibility for the executive staff for employees classified as "schedule F" serving in confidential, policy-determining and policy making/advocating position. Tenure should NEVER be a prerequisite of job security, especially when working in certain areas of the federal government.

Absolutely. I think the current administration should have the right to surround themselves with people they can trust. especially in positions where they can influence policy decisions or confidential matters.

Again, I'm 100% against tenure as it allows for poor performance to be protected.

 

Wait. Trump is demanding a political loyalty oath from all Federal appointees or they get fired?

If that is accurate you have the beginnings of absolute fascism right there... and by Presidential Decree no less

 

And Trump just dealt with THAT possibility yesterday