Why you can't have an honest or civil conversation with most racists

We've covered the issue of censorship. I find it despicable - even on this site. But, you're still saddled with one reality: white racialists will not debate people on THEIR sites... not even with people that agree with them on many issues! So, what's your point?

Maybe you should go to their sites and tell them to debate people like me on their sites... create a level playing field and don't censor nor edit what I say. How about that? It's hard to make a case against the censorship here when people in the white racialist movement don't have the guts to open their boards up to honest discussion.

 

Whats funny is That I thought that a stormfront was a beautiful weather event.
It was you, that made me realize it was a website.
The question is, why do know about this website?

 

Well, "shtstorm" would describe Stormfront quite well.

Anyway it's not too hard to know about Stormfront because it's the go-to place for white supremacists, nationalist, purists and all those who can't stand the notion of non-whites living near them and given the way certain people here post, it's quite obvious they either belong there or are from there. Hell, there were actually some members of this forum that are/were confirmed members of SF.

 

Is stormfront down?

 

I don't like Don Black either, but some days the B.S. gets a bit thick. Don was involved in an effort to overthrow the Dominican Republic in around 80 or 81. Those people did not consider themselves to be black:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2011/08/dominicans_and_race_dont_call_them_black.html

AND know this:

Don Black is a political racialist. He is not on the side of, let us say, a Christian Identity believer. So you have to extrapolate what you will from that. Political racialists are not the same breed of racialist as existed a couple of decades ago. As such Don Black is not a Randy Weaver nor would he fit in with the real C.I. adherents.

Instead of getting yourself banned from sites by being confrontational, you should strive to bring something to the table worth discussing. BTW, I spent six years working in immigration law. That way, no educated person could ever accuse me of being prejudiced, bigoted or uneducated in knowing the material. Don't tell me that a negrophilist or a Jew are the only people that would brave contact with the non-white world.

Don Black is a coward and a liar. He is not the man I met back in the 1970s. At the same time, you need to know by those with first hand experience what that excursion to the Dominican Republic was all about.

 

Racism is a myth....prove me wrong.

 

If you think racism is a myth then you are dishonest and nothing I say will convince you otherwise. Racism is a concept and it is a fact that many people adhere to a racist ideology therefore it is not a myth.

If you want proof look at history and current events. Look at the existence of racial slurs and racist organizations like the KKK. Prove to me that racism doesn't exist.

 

of course racism exists. Just look at the comments here from racist black posters

 

Most of the posts here are by racist White Supremacists. But at least you admit that racism does exist.

 

Most of the posts here are by racist White Supremacists. But at least you admit that racism does exist.

 

And yet I can name no less than 3 posters who regularly throw out pro-white and anti-everything else comments on a daily basis....

 

so what? You black people constantly endorse anti white racism. As long as you do that you show me you dont want a solution. essentially you have no problem with racism you are just complaining that is white people are better at running the show than you are,

 

This anti-white racism you claimed we blacks endorse, explain.

 

Most Black people don't endorse anti-White racism. We just don't endorse White supremacy.

 

Yeah you do. You have no problem with the open racism given out by the likes of Al Sharpton. Louis Farrakhans uniformed goons can do their stupid parades in any black community and no one will confront their racism. Cornell west can shoot of as much as he likes and never loses his job,

Random violence against white people is so commonplace it isn't reported. Michael Eric Dyson said after George Zimmerman was acquitted in the killing of Trayvon Martin that it would be a good thing for more white children to be murdered so Americans could better understand racism

You want it both ways. You want to continue the violence against us and then complain about the fact we think you are dangerous,lazy and stupid and despite being the only peoples on earth to actively address discrimination you just bite the hand back. In all the other cultures dominant groups laugh at the idea of making people equal. You dont want equality...you talk of dominance.

YOUR people sold your ancestors into slavery. MY people ended slavery..

 

Dude, you don't like black people so stop commenting like you actually know what the black experience is about. Your people are just as guilty of slavery as anyone else.

BTW the Michael Eric Dyson quote you're referring to is really out of context:

Do everyone a favor and get your fcking facts straight before foaming at the mouth.

 

I realize I'm coming in here late, but I don't think you understand what makes someone a racist. Mere hatred and or using racial slurs is not what makes a racist. A racist is someone who believes his race is superior to that of another race, period. So with that...your post becomes a failure.

 

Racism has two basic meanings:

1. Belief in racial superiority.

2. Racial discrimination.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism?s=t

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

So my description is accurate.

 

There is a core or base description of racism that does in affect take in discrimination of other races, but again, that core description
or guts to identifying a racist if you will emanates from their inherit belief that their race is superior to that of another race.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/racism

 

Racism is typically associated with a belief in racial superiority which is why most dictionaries define it that way however in common use it means discrimination based on race. What racists try to do, which I suspect you also wish to do, is overemphasize the belief in superiority aspect in order to claim that if you are not a racial supremacist you are not really a racist. Then you can bash people of other races as much as you want use racial slurs etc. behaving in a way that is typical of racists and claim you aren't really one yourself. This is word play. This is what I was talking about in the OP regarding dishonesty. A lot of racists won't just come out and admit they are racist. They will play games with dictionary definitions and deny their racism all while making incredibly racist statements. If you discriminate against people based on race you are a racist and you can't weasel your way out of it by claiming you're just telling the truth about racial differences or you don't want to deprive any one of their civil liberties, if you are hateful or intolerant of anyone based on their race you are racist.

 

Hold on a minute there. Let's get really specific on these racist definitions. George Lincoln Rockwell, the U.S. Navy Commander turned National Socialist, railed against the Jews and how they could claim to be a race, then a religion, then a culture, etc. What I personally walked away with is that being Jewish is related to one's genetic composition; therefore, there is an element of race there.

Our policy in America is to defend the Jews above all other peoples. Most people do this on the assumption that the Jews are Israelites. So, do we refer to the pro-Jewish faction of people in the U.S. as "racists?"

Christian Israelites come along and lay claim to the biblical promises and suddenly society declares them to be racist. Why? Is it based upon claims of racial superiority? No. Is it based upon discrimination? Well let me see.

According to a dictionary definition, discrimination means:

the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people

: the ability to recognize the difference between things that are of good quality and those that are not

: the ability to understand that one thing is different from another thing

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination

If a person believes that they are the Israelites of the Bible; that they have the guarantee of a homeland and a future separate and apart from the multitudes, then it's subjective as to whether or not they are "racist." But, let's be fair and honest, we would never suggest a Jew is racist, but everybody would attack a Christian Israelite as being a racist.

So, the term racist is all encompassing and serves more as an emotion laden buzz word than a way to describe people that may or may not deserve labels.

 

In my experience the only people who try to trivialize the meaning of the word racist are people who do not like the word because it applies to them. George Lincoln Rockwell was racist against Jews because he regarded them as a race and discriminated against them just like Hitler and the original Nazis did. You don't even need a group of people to actually be a race in a biological context to be racist. All you need to do is regarded them as a race and harbor hostility towards them. A Jew can be a racist. Anyone can be a racist. You can hate one race, multiple races or even your own race. I do not consider racist to be a buzzword. Racism exists as a meaningful context. The word racist is in common use and has utility. I don't think it is productive nor intellectually honest to try to trivialize the meaning of a word just because you don't like it.

 

I don't try to trivialize the word. I'm only suggesting that it is far more encompassing than you would have us believe AND it's not always in a negative connotation.

If someone uses race as a justification for acts of violence; if they use it to deny someone their
unalienable Rights; if racism infringes upon your Liberty when it could be avoided, then it is unacceptable. OTOH, if groups maintain their identity by separating from others, then there is no real problem. America was built on the premise of a Freedom of Association. So, you can elect NOT to associate with some groups - and if it involves other races, oh well. All we have to remember is that your Rights end where my nose begins.

 

You have a right to socialize with whoever you want. If you don't want friends of other races you don't have to have them. If you don't want to marry someone of another race you don't have to. But you can't choose your neighbors and you can't create businesses where you select who to serve. I think that is the way it should be. Free association goes as far as it can without infringing on the rights of others.

 

When I was a young kid, businesses used to have signs that stated: This business reserves the right to refuse to service to anyone. If you have a business, you should not be compelled to serve someone that you don't want to serve.

The left makes this argument against discriminatory practices in hiring; the right joins them in arguing that jobs belong to the people, not the employer. Both are direct assaults against the Right to own property. My feeling is that the best way to have people like you get the message is to have a Nazi go into a bakery owned by gays (and preferably Jewish ones) demanding that they bake him a cake with a swastika on it. Then, your attitude toward Freedom of Association would change.