Will the Abbott government actually govern?

Nope, the Government as the Principal failed to achieve the level of professionalism expected of even the smallest of operators. The Principal is required to lay out a "work method" that is safe and practical. Laying conductive foil over electrical wiring, is essentially creating a death trap, any idiot can see that. That`s the way the system works.

If any private business operators were ever to operate at this level of incompetence, they would deservedly be held in the utmost contempt and a facing gaol term. We don`t set death traps for our workers in this country.

 

Would any government be responsible whether you teach your kids the basics?
Regards

 

Actually this falls directly under the WH&S laws created by Federal government.

BUT even if you want to blame the states for this, the issue is that RUDD did not follow those Laws and Regulations when implementing his policy as the principle. Simply trying to shift the blame over state issues is just being an apologist for inept people is trying to shift blame.

 

What an idiot, to become a certified mechanic you need to do a 4 year education course regulated by the government to learn NOT to put a spanned on the battery. BUT the ALP simply believes that everybody should know how to lay tin foil in a roof and staple it down with metal staples... Oh wait that does not take a genius to work out that is dangerous, does that mean the ALP are full of numbskulls??? After all they approved such...

Blame what you want and yes it was greed, greed of the ALP and the stupidity...

Searching for an excuse to minimise the culpability of the government (the principle) on this policy is simply disgusting, nearly as bad as the scumbag Rudd pretending he had nothing to do with the policy…

 

The government is responsible for exposing how money becomes more important than life! These greedy bastards who directly sent those young guys in those ceilings knew full well the potential dangers to them. How many businesses did the right thing by their employees and ensured that they were well equipped and trained to undertake the work in a safe manner? This is just another beat up by Murdoch and phony abbott. It's ridiculous how many people mentally give into dodgy media and lying conniving politicians like Abbott! The BER had a 97% success rate but yet even hardened labor supporters were convinced by phony and murduck, so much so they still don't realise it was a 97% success rate and not a 3% success rate.

 

Rudd should have made sure that businesses were responsible and accountable for correctly educating and training workers in insulation. Before any money is paid to them, they have to provide documented evidence they have provided their workers with a short course or training in OH&S education and dangers of roof insulation. This course or training could have comprised of workers watching a video on the correct way to insulate a roof, and a shot questioner following the video, so everyone understands. If the workers pass the questioner, then the documentation with the workers signature gets submitted as proof and evidence, and then the money is sent.

The only reason why this logical procedure was not done, is Rudd wanted his insulation scheme done RIGHT NOW with no waiting for the correct training or procedure.

 

So CD, when you take your car to be serviced (if bad example use another), do you check the licence of the Mechanics? If a mechanic working on your car made a mistake and died is it your fault? If your son or daughter bought a car do you immediately check all the service centres they may use for the credentials.

Training someone to install roof insulation takes a good 5 minutes. Just as it is not your fault if the service centre hires an idiot, it is not the governments fault, if those that put up tenders for these jobs don't.

Honestly, of all the things that have happened this is by far the most ridiculous Do you truly think, that the Prime Minister of Australia is responsible for checking the correct training and education of the workers for every contract they sign. Talk about cotton wool wrapping, are businesses in this country so bloody stupid the cannot assure that THEIR satf are properly trained and educated, maybe it's more about some Australian businesses taking greater risks to make greater profits. Or greedy business undercutting each other to get the work, that they have no allowance to train..

You I suppose are on of those that would sue the council if your child climbed onto the slippery dip, and while clowning around fell. PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS, not blame the government for everything

 

You made exactely my point. 100% correct, good on ya.
Cheerio

 

If you take your car to service, YES you should check to see his licence. Because if you don't and he does die, YES you can be held liable... THAT IS THE LAW... If that same mechanic does not have a licence and he does something to the car that causes it to crash and people die then YOU are also held responsible for NOT checking his credentials. FACT IS, BY LAW the mechanic has to display his licence to all customers... THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED THIS AND MADE IT LAW.

Obviously this is a stupid statement.

So when government legislates that business have to correctly train and accredit their procedures and policies they should be exempt from that very legislation because it is too much for them to check??? The laws state that business have to check and can be held accountable. The law states people, themselves, have to check and can be held accountable, why should the government be any different??? Is it because it suites your agenda??? I think so.

True, however when anybody creates policy, laws and regulations they should never be exempt.

 

You have obviously heard about vehicle manufactures re-calling faulty or dangerous vehicles, and obviously law-suits involving death surrounding faulty vehicles.

Do the claimants of these lawsuits sue the vehicle dealership where they purchased the vehicle or the vehicel manufacturer, who is responsible and accountable for the design of the vehicles in question?

When I take our vehicles for a service - damn straight I make sure the service agent is licenced, only an idiot wouldn't.

Come on DV, it takes a basic "one day" OH&S training to get a blue or green card in construction, and there is no reason why Rudd should not have made it compulsory for roof insulators to have the same basic training in roof insulation and OH&S before allowing them to work.

What a load of sanctimonious crap you are going on with just to excuse pudding face from his responsibilities.

As an employer, I am legally required by the law and Government legislation to ensure that even an office assistant has to watch OH&S and EEO video's lasting about 4 hours, and then they have to sign a form after that acknowledging they watched the videos and understood the content.

So you are advocating I have to be responsible and accountable for my staff, but pudding face doesn't have to be accountable or responsible for his? Very fair minded, from a person who preaches he is fair minded.

 

They were required to have safety induction training and were required to have a site superviser. The employer is at fault. This has just gone round in circles because abbott and Murdoch told everyone what to think and say.......well not everyone, there are some of us not so gullible! Oh and some are blissfully ignorant

 

The pink batts RC will end up going nowhere. Distal and proximal cause will see to it.

 

No, in this case it is the Prime Minister's fault, we sue the Prime Minister, the government made the rules about autombile standards, or some other law or regulation to do with car manufacturing so it's the fault of the Prime Minister for not making sure all the necessary training and quality control standards were in place.

The Prime Minister should be more like CD, if he takes his car to be repaired, he makes sure that all the staff at the repair shop have been properly trained and accredited, especially any new staff that they may employ in the period his car is in the workshop. He also checks the "Quick Snax" driver who gets their lunches for a drivers licence and the supplier of the food for the lunches. You can never be too careful, someone at the kitchen could leave the meat out, it could get contaminated, therefore the sandwich is poisonous and could kill the guy, driving the car onto the ramp in the workshop causing him to loose control of the car which could hurt somebody and of cause it would be the Prime Ministers fault.

So wake up every one, no one is responsible for anything except the Prime Minister. HE'S RESPONSIBLE.

 

Sweetpea, the guy was not on the pudding faces staff, he was the staff of a contractor. Are you responsible for the qualifications of all the staff of all the contractors you use. What if the contractor hires a sub contractor who employs and idiot, is that your fault, or the fault of the Prime Minister like it should be.

 

I wish you all could understand, it's always someone else's fault. Just the other day my grandson was fighting with his friend Johnny. I asked him who started the fight, he said "Johnny did, he hit me back".

 

In all honesty there is an element of blame on the government but not to the silly extent people try to suggest on here. The facts are that the pink batts scheme was an overall success on many counts. It was a failure in terms of the deaths. Building the sydney harbour bridge lost near 20 lives, but does that make building the bridge a failed project? For the record employers have been found culpable and duly prosecuted!

 

I just had an interesting phone call. It was Tonee, apparently CD has applied to be the director of DoCS. I said I didn't think CD was in the welfare industry, he laughed and said ... "Umm er umm ....................No, it's a new department, a new department ... No it's a new department, it's the Department of Contractors Staff, it's a new department, oh did I say it was a new department, and I was worried about being responsible for the contractors on my new infrastructure programs and wanted a character reference for him". I said "No problems Tone (we are pretty close Tone and me), yes I will vouch that he is a character."

I didn't have the heart to tell him that no matter what, it's THE PRIME MINISTERS FAULT

 

There is a chain of command, and it leads all the back to Rudd as the manager and creator of the scheme. Isn't someone responsible for ensuring that the site supervisors are giving his employees induction training?

 

For Pete's sake, he was the bloody PM of the country, and if he didn't have enough authority and law at his disposal to ensure employee's working on "his" scheme were safe and trained, then who the hell would have?

You have never heard the saying "pass the buck"? Well, pudding face passed the buck big-time on this, and young Australians lost their lives because of it.

 

No, they didn't.
They lost their lifes because they were sent into a roof space without the proper traing, which should have been given to them by their employers....
For Christ sake, not that difficult....
Regards

 

Yes. Induction training should have been given by the employer to the employee's, but there was NO structure in place to ensure employers were giving induction training to the employee's, and that's the whole bloody point catter - Rudd missed that "induction-training" step as the CEO of the project, and as a result, young people died.

If I committed this same mistake in the private sector, my arse would be legally hung out to dry as an incompetent CEO and employer, but it looks like pudding face is going to get off Scott free from his responsibility as being the CEO of the project.

 

There were strict requirements in place! Employers were obliged to provide safety induction training. This argument is bloody near suggesting Kevin dudd should have facilitated the training himself. The argument is ridiculous. The further one gets into the detail of this the more you realise this was simply a deceptive, lying, conniving ploy by Murdoch and Phony.

 

Well I am glad we got that out of the way. Big Tony, just like Kevvy, is not responsible for the outcomes of any of his governments policies.

 

Wrong again,
roofs were insulated long before the Rudd initiative, with success.
To me it looks like a lot of so called tradies jumped on the band wagon to make a big fat profit. To me Rudd is innocent...
Accidents will always happen, the big question is whether those 4 death could have been avoidable.
I feel sorry for those young men and their families, but to blame Rudd is ridiculous. It would be right to blame the boss, who didn't provide enough and proper training for those guys.
Regards

 

What rot, it's the Prime Ministers job to run around ensuring all the STAFF of PRIVATE contractors employed by the government are trained. Sheesh. What do you think his job is?