Will the Abbott government actually govern?

For the edification of those among you who have drawn conclusions about me due more to bigotry than truth.

I have never voted for nor supported a Labor candidate.
I have never joined a union, but have decided against taking some jobs because I had to join a union.
I am against socialism and communism as we have in the world today.
I am however more against capitalism as it is by it's very nature and definition anti-humanity and relies totally on pyramidal growth and dog eat dog.
I believe that health, education and housing should never be in the private sector. Children have no choice into what socio-ecconomic background that they are born into and all deserve EQUAL opportunities.
The only political party I have voted for was the Liberal party, about 50% of the elections in which I voted, until I woke up to myself.

 

Sure it has been installed for long periods of time, BUT if as you claim it only takes ten minutes to install then why are for people dead and so many houses burnt down??? Oh that is right, because it is very simple...

Trying to shift responsibility for one person’s actions onto another because it does not suite your agenda is far worse than your claim of not taking responsibility of one’s own actions. According to government you have duty of care but when it turns against the government it is somebody else's fault or you’re not being accountable for your own actions... Go figure.

Well you already are, the fact you want to excuse the ALP for this makes one wonder just where you draw the line??? Oh by the way, YES your delivery person has to be certified (a measure made by the ALP) so your stupid complaint is meaningless...

Maybe you should look at the application, you haven't yet and yet you want to excuse the principle (as stated by law) because it does not suite your agenda...

There is a point where duty of care does belong to you and this is legislated to be well below it. EVEN the Coroner has stated the government has breached its own standard of duty of care, BUT you want to excuse it because... Oh that is right it was the ALP

 

It's all hot air Garry, and I would be saying the same thing if it was Abbott, so there goes your argument down in flames. Boo Hoo

 

Really so this

is just you saying that somebody does need to check for proper credentials??? No, it is your way of trying to say because you don't demand to see them you should not be held accountable for your own responsibility of making sure they are certified...

Sorry your ire is fabricated...

 

That is your so called well educated opinion, unfortunately your words precede you....

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What rot, we all know where you stand. You have nothing so this is the best.

 

I will concede one thing, I would definitely prefer the ALP over the LIBS at the moment, forward is better than backwards. But i would like to see a genuine political party that cared for the people not just the rich people as both of them do.

 

You can toot your little toy horn until the cows come home, what is .. is... it won't change because you want it to. I know, most here know, calling me a liar reflects more on you then it does me.

 

So you prefer the inept reckless and irresponsible party who appear to have no idea how to balance a check book over the current party who is trying their best to address a bad situation that the ALP wants to ignore??? Really??? After all that dream party you wish for does not exist while people sit on their freckles and make excuses through their own bias on partisan politics and racial ignorance...

The only thing we get from this topic (as it has been and gone and the pass is already played) is that people such as you and me can see who is prepared to turn a blind eye to bad politics and people. AND to see for what reason they do so… I hate to state the obvious but I note you have not worked that out yet.

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Oh precious, sorry to hurt your feelings...

 

My god you're like a dog digging itself out of a hole, the more you try to get out, the deeper you get. When you have gone past calling people liars to sarcasm you are really lost.

"the inept reckless and irresponsible party who appear to have no idea how to balance a check book" according to you and some Liberal supporters.
but not so according to mst national and international financial and economic agencies.
"the current party who is trying their best" THEIR BEST ... yes they are aren't they, the little darlings, that IS the problem

 

Seriously, is this your idea if the LNP trying hard to balance a check book? Just who's expense do you think the LNP are trying to balance this check book at, because it certainly doesn't look like their own?

Come on Garry17, we have Abbott, Hockey and the rest of the bunch running around spruiking their doomsday propaganda that every Australian has the "tighten their belt" and be part of "Team Australia" for the financial benefit of all Australians. Meanwhile, Abbott and the rest of his circus are running around spending and squandering tax payers money like drunken sailors in a brothel.

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Let us put it this way... Don't you think borrowing billion to pay interest payments is a problem??? How about this, try borrowing to pay the interest on your mortgage. In ten years come back and tell us how well you’re doing...

You might think there is no problem because it is not your debt, but really it is. The issue of who is better and who is not, is the fact that one see the problem the other simply don't and are prepared to throw Australia deeper into the problem... If the ALP actually got things together and pissed the inept politicians off then they stand a chance but until then they actually are only supported by the 'oh so intellectual people' who like a good story...

 

The problem isn't that they are good at what they are doing. The issue is that they see the wall coming and want to change it. How they want to change the situation is the questionable point. The ALP just shows how bad they were and still are with their willingness not to see and address the problems of Australia. BUT under both parties the rich get richer and the poor get poorer only morons that want to blindly support one party over another think there is a real difference on how they do things.

The problem is Australia has a huge welfare problem and governments that waste, squander and corruptly use money. Your analogy of drunken sailors in a brothel seems closer than you may have thought (Thomo and his UNION card) BUT it is true. I do object to much of this government (but nobody has even come close to talking seriously about it) such as the welfare card... BUT what is the alternative??? The ALP who just sit there going "what problem??" I thought Palmer might actually shack things up (even though I knew he was only out for himself) but he has just shown too disruptive without real thought... First term in government is not usually good but this has become disastrous for them. His PUP party has become a joke, I just don't know if they can dig themselves out... Time will tell.

 

Your opinion, to which you are entitled, and I have my opinion, to which I am entitled without being caustically commented upon as if I was an idiot for having my opinion and using it to cast assertions on my education.

This is in my opinion a good simile.

A man and his wife purchase a house and mortgage it. They have children. She decides her husband is not good enough and they divorce. They settle that she keeps all the capital in the home and he has no maintenance requirements, the wife also gets the remaining mortgage.
She remarries and her new husband says "Hey girl, look at the debt your ex got you in, we need to reduce that as quickly as possible." That evening over dinner he is opening a fine vintage red and says to the family. "As you know, your father got you into a lot of debt, I intend to reduce that debt, but we all have to pull together, so from now on, at dinner, you children will get only water, soft drink is a luxury we cannot afford." And "Sweetheart, from now on shop for your clothes at St Vincent de Paul, wouldn't want to look like we're not doing our part. What's that kitten, what scholarship.."

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Your opinion, to which you are entitled, and I have my opinion, to which I am entitled without being caustically commented upon as if I was an idiot for having my opinion and using it to cast assertions on my education.

This is in my opinion a good simile.

A man and his wife purchase a house and mortgage it. They have children. She decides her husband is not good enough and they divorce. They settle that she keeps all the capital in the home and he has no maintenance requirements, the wife also gets the remaining mortgage.
She remarries and her new husband says "Hey girl, look at the debt your ex got you in, we need to reduce that as quickly as possible." That evening over dinner he is opening a fine vintage red and says to the family. "As you know, your father got you into a lot of debt, I intend to reduce that debt, but we all have to pull together, so from now on, at dinner, you children will get only water, soft drink is a luxury we cannot afford." And "Sweetheart, from now on shop for your clothes at St Vincent de Paul, wouldn't want to look like we're not doing our part. What's that kitten, what scholarship.."

 

Again, did I hurt your feelings precious??? I treat you with the same distain you treat others so if you want that to change...

So tell us all who will remarry Australia...

Here is something quite funny, when I grew up we did not get soft drink at dinner time, in fact we got it about twice a YEAR. The fact is while you want to have your cake and eat it on a welfare system, people are working hard (VERY HARD) who get nothing.

Look at the objection to floating the university fees. WHO pays??? The tax payer. HOW many of those tax payers benefit from that??? Tell us all WHY should people who have no hope of getting any university assistance PAY for those who want to get degrees??? WHY should they pay for people who want to get the higher paid jobs that they themselves can or will never achieve??? When you talk equal opportunity you only mean for people like yourself not the majority...

 

We all benefit from our children getting an education, depriving a child of the opportunity to go to university purely on who their parents happen to be or how much they earn is very mercenary. What if the next great breakthrough in medicine, in alternate energy, the next great Liberal leader. What you are pushing for is a wealth based class system, where all the educated, the solicitors, the doctors, the accountants, the financial engineers, the politicians even, all come from the more advantaged based on who can afford it not on a merit of even a fair go mentality. You must be an Abbott supporter.

 

Australia does have a huge problem, but its not welfare. The huge problem is corrupt politicians wasting and squandering tax payers money to make themselves more wealthy behind the secnes and in the shadows that the Australian people cannot see.

For shear underhandedness and corruption, politicians would be 20 times worse than the most dishonest & unscrupulous used car salesman imaginable - and this is being generous.

Politicians are such cowardly bastards. As soon as they realise the citizens are becoming aware of just how crooked and underhanded they really are, they immediately deflect all the financial problems within our society onto the most vulnerable members of our society (unemployed pensioners) who cannot protect themselves.

How the hell is allowing 457 foreign visa workers into Australia, who are competing with Australia's unemployed, and taking Australian jobs, helping the Australian people and helping Australia financial prosper? How the hell is it even logical for a Government or politicians to claim that Australia has a problem with unemployment and welfare, when they are directly allowing foreign workers to come into their country and take work away form their unemployed citizens?

How the hell is giving boat building contracts to Vietnam helping Australia's unemployed; financially helping Australias manufacturing industry, and helping Australia's confidence in building quality products?

It really seems that Australian politicians want Australia to FAIL for some reason, because not even a manager of a shoe store would be acting in the same incompetent stupid way that Australian politicians are acting towards Australia and the Australian people.

If we don't don't get rid of politicians and replace them quickly with something else - we are going to ffuucckkeedd very soon?

 

But you’re not stopping anybody from being educated you just expecting those who receive absolutely NOTHING for their efforts to pay for it... What are the complaints??? Oh it will cost more... they will have to pay more for their education because the government expects them to cover the interest the tax payer has to cover... ALL you are complaining about is that because you have to repay MORE for your education that those people who work hard all their lives to remain just above the poverty line should help to pay... What I am pushing for is fairer systems that actually spend its money wisely( A dream I know). To me it looks like all you want is that everybody else pay for what you want NOT what you need. The government is not reducing places or what is provided. ALL they are doing is restructuring the way people have to pay for that education and yes what it costs.

So in your bleating about university, the truth is you simply want to oppose it without thought or care of who has to pay for it. If it affects the poor of the nation you believe you will just grow the welfare system to cover it and buy a few more votes…

So again, WHY should people who get no benefit of universities (and there are considerable many out there) should have to pay for somebody else's child or person to go to university to get an advantage they or their kids will never get??? The fact you want to simply push the old class system again shows more to you wanting to ignore the issue but simply want to oppose things that effect you not others. The fact you WANT to try and categorise me as party preference shows you simply want to oppose it due to party politics...

 

Simple to say, Australia needs an alternative. Australia has a huge welfare problem and is exacerbated by that political willingness to buy the next voter. That is what the government does. If you look singly to the welfare problem it is very easy to assume it is not a major problem. The problem reaches over many areas for example why should families need welfare to survive??? Shouldn’t employment be enough??? The age of entitlement is here and people just expect things to go their way. For example DV seems to think that everybody should have to pay to educate somebody else's children. It is just expected and that everybody can do such.

Hard measures are called for NOW. People have to stop expecting high incomes and nice easy jobs. I am against 457 visas while people are unemployed and the fact the government of both parties want to continue to use them shows MORE to what the agendas of these parties are.

The problem is what alternative is there, you just have to choose what is best at the time and hope they don't stuff it up in the years between. Far too many Australians are willing to follow with drone quality and vote without thought or process and then just ignore the lies and confabulations of both parties. No alternative and Australia will fail immediately.

It is one thing to get rid of them to actually doing it. If people actually get informed and participate then something will change. But while the drones are about nothing will change and all you can hope for is that they will keep some semblance of what they claimed they would do. All you can do is applaud them for the good they do…

 

What you don't appear to be able to see through your conservative tinted glasses is that we all, EVERY ONE of us gains as our country becomes smarter more educated. Education is an INVESTMENT in our children's future and our children are our countries future.

To separate education based on class or money is a very backward step, even the poorer countries see that education is the way out of poverty. Why should a doctors daughter or son have a better opportunity than the check out operator who checks his groceries child has, with limited spaces, those available will go to the wealthiest as per the USA, not those that most deserve it nor those that are academically better. Class/money versus merit.

 

What you don't seem to understand is that this in no way stops one person from being educated.

All the changes are about who covers the cost NOT who is eligible. So your complaint of class separation is a confabulation to complain about changes in the system. The fact is, there is nothing in your argument to justify WHY somebody who will receive no benefit from YOUR child to go to university should have to pay.

See this is the problem with the drone like quality; they see things stingily and cannot understand that many things are involved. For example, there is a class system within the university in the US.

So since you cannot understand my question OR simply refuse to answer it, ANSWER THIS. What changes in the Coalition policy do you believe reduce the opportunity of ANY student???

What is worse is that the Greens are actually pushing to decide who should live or die... BUT that is another topic.

 

John Hewson doesn't sound very impressed with the general economic direction of his party. When senior members start making comments such as his, you have to be concerned. John knows and we know along with the rest of the real world that this current government either has no idea or simply doesn't know how to climb out of the massive hole created by their relentless lies and propaganda they've left for themselves. They are a complete laughing stock around the world. The Abbott government will go down as the worst government we've ever had and I doubt we could ever have one as bad in the future!