Will Trump agree to mail in ballots ?

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very cool, didn’t know about this
     
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    Only under the VRA and that is extremely limited any more and only concern equal rights to vote not voting mechanisms. No to a federal involvement and federal system.............you betcha. I've always been luke-warm to warm over a national ID, could also be used for a passport and even transfer SS numbers to them. But how do you get around the typical Dem/Left/MSM that it would disfranchise some voters who couldn't possible get one just like with state ID's?
     
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    Easy, make them free — like social security cards.
    Automatically issued and duplicates can be requested at no charge.
     
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    State ID's are free it's not a cost issue but blacks are simply unable to get there to get one therefore the only reason Republicans and conservative want voter ID is to suppress the black vote. It maybe even MORE difficult to get a federal ID from a federal office that a state ID from a state office.
     
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    Where did you get that idea from? I tried to find corroborating evidence to confirm that and only found evidence to the contrary. I am happy to be proven wrong though.
     
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    Pilldosey? That is the cringiest dumb right wing name for a Democrat I have ever seen and that is a category filled with extraordinary cringe!! I mean you have shillary, Obummer, Obozo, Owebama, etc. It is a never-ending conveyor belt of cringy awfulness, but you my friend take the cake.
     
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    Yeah. Not sorry....

    Ranks right up there with deplorables..

    As doin as Democrats are worthy os some respect I'll give it to them.
     
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    It's not my idea it is what the Democrats and the left claim. I'm asking why a national ID would be easier to get and not have the same objections by those same Democrats and leftest.
     
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    It isn't up to him, but he can try to sabotage efforts to do so. Seeing as he is already at war with the post office as part of his war against Bezos, he has some leverage.
     
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    FYI - Absentee voting has been a thing since the Civil War. It had the full support of Republicans. Democrats were solidly against it. Oh my how the times have changed.

    https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1415&context=mjlr

     
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    No it isn't. The person you replied to said to make IDs free. That is a perfect solution to a problem Republicans claim is rampant. It will protect from their dreaded (but largely non-existent) voter fraud, while ensuring poor people, in particular the elderly poor, aren't disenfranchised. Except the right opposes this, because it was never about fraud, and always about suppressing the vote.
     
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    They are free and the Dems and left still claim minorities can't get them and that even requiring FREE ID's is voter suppression. Do cite "the right" opposing free ID's for those who can't afford them. Why do you, if this is what you are asserting, believe it would be easier to go to a federal office and get a federal ID than to a state office and get a state ID.

    How many fraudulent votes does it take to overturn an election? It could be just one with significant impact. There are many many close elections in this country every year. Last cycle which party would control the Virginia statehouse was decided by a flip of a coin because the deciding district ended in a dead heat. ONE fraudulent vote could determine which party controlled that state legislature. Go back to Florida 2000. It was decided by 236 votes in the state of Florida that is not even one fraudulent vote in every precinct. Mayors, city council members, state representitives, sheriffs, even the proverbial dog catcher can be decided in extremely close elections. So stop with the canard the since voter fraud is "rare" we don't need to worry about it.

    Just in the last 4 years of attempting to track, and you can go to the link and click on the map for state by state

    A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
    The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted. It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed. In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, fraud can have an impact in close elections, and we have many close elections in this country. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process. Reforms intended to ensure such integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote. Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote.

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    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
     
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    It is a necessary evil and should be used sparingly and with provisions to protect the integrity of those votes and is NOT what is called "mail-on voting"
     
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    Yeah, I did the absentee ballot thing for my State's spring elections and I don't trust the absentee system at all (same with any electronic system). All I had to do to "prove it was me" was to electronically send a picture of my driver's license (since they didn't have one on file since I've never done absentee voting before). Then, when you receive it in the mail (assuming someone didn't steal it out of the mailbox or something like that), you just need someone to "witness" and sign their name. Then, you mail it back and don't even know whether it's actually being counted or not. Come November, whether the rice-a-rona plannedemic is occurring or not, I'm making damn sure to vote in person.

    The only system I trust (more than others, anyway) is physically going to a polling place, having to show photo ID before receiving a ballot, and personally putting the ballot through the optical scanner machine. Any other system is VERY easy to rig/lie/cheat/etc...
     
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    Absentee voting for soldiers in the field is MUCH different than for someone who can't get their fat ass up and walk/drive to their polling place.
     
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    Given the candidates who could possibly care who wins?
     

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