WISE Founder Teaches Muslim Women Self Defense To Protect Against Hate Crimes

Chill out.

That was based on one women's controversial book.

Nice try.

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He's not right. It's one woman's book against all other sources, including Muslim ones.

 

Yes, as you know, even in Aisha's own words In the Hadith.

 

Sundance...................

Please tell me how this helps, besides make you feel better or happy, how does this help?

How does it help when Pamela Geller plasters posters all over NY subways depicting Muslims as vile creatures or when she plasters them on the sides of busses depicting Muslims as vile creatures.

What happened in Brussels was just as horrific as all the other things that have happened, and will happen, and you'll get no argument from me on that point.

But how does this help?

You have a choice, and a responsibility as we all do.

It's easy to do this, it takes no effort, no courage, and no thought, but it will offend others. (not me)

Other's won't find it offensive because they're in love with or defend a pedophile.

They'll find it offensive because they (like many people, good, bad or indifferent) don't believe him to be a pedophile.

We all believe what we believe, accept what we accept, and we all disregard the rest.

Millions of Muslims dismiss this pedophile subject because they either don't believe it or they don't want to believe it.
(either way it doesn't automatically make them pedophiles)

I'm not insulted or bothered because I have no dog in it, I have no vested interest, and I am not a believer.

I am not offended by it at all, but I also don't find the humor in it.

Let it go Sundance, I say that as a person who cares more about you than you care about yourself. (shocking isn't it)

You think I'm a bad guy because of all of my Muslim threads, I'm not.

You think I only care about Muslims, your wrong.

Let it go...........

Good Night Sundance........doing things like this is beneath you, you just don't realize it.

 

I know no person, Muslim or otherwise that thinks having sex with a 9 year old is appropriate, and yes of course they would all condsider it rape, including all the Mulsims I know.

Guys, really, your doing it again, your both attacking me like I would condone such behavior, and your both doing it so much that it's starting to lose it's affect, so please stop. (I did use the word please here)

I do not, nor would I ever condone any person of any faith or race to have sex with minors.

If..............and I'm stressing "If" Aisha really was 9 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage to Muhammad, then yes......that would definitely make him a pedophile.

I have no problem saying that........

My problem...............is that I'm not as convinced as the two of you that she was 9, for many, many reasons that I'm just too tired to go into now.

Are we all satisfied now or do the two of you wish to continue this line of questioning, because if you do it's going to have to wait until tomorrow.

Good Night.............

 

BS! Your Muslim friends will not repeat not answer "yes" to this question: "if Muhamed had sex with a nine-year-old would you condemn him?"
I think you're delusional.

 

FreedomSeeker......

It really isn't cool to call people liars in these forums, and it's something I never do.

I call certain stories BS, but I never accuse forum members of lying.

You guys have been pounding the hell out of me, and double teaming all night to answer this insanely impossible question that truly has no answer as no human can possibly know what truly happened roughly 1400 years ago.

I gave you an honest answer based on what I know for a fact.......and you basically called me a liar.

Dude, seriously......at some point here a little civility, and common courtesy would be nice.

 

I'm sorry if you thought I called you a liar because I didn't do that. However I think you're delusional in thinking that any of your Muslim family or friends willl answer this simple moral question with a yes answer:
"If, repeat if, Muhamed had sex with a nine-year-old would you condemn him?"

PS please don't think that this is a trivial question, because it involves one"s attitude towards rape of a child, which is never trivial. What I'm doing is showing you that your view of the korality of Muslims is completely wrong.

 

Well, according to the FBI, 57% of anti religious hate crimes in the US are against Jews, while 16% targeted Muslims. That's a difference of 41%. Liberals start anti Semitic threads on here all the time bashing Jews. Yet they feel the need to mollycoddle Muslims for some odd reason. Remember, Muslims chose Hitler in WWII and they were very happy to kill Jews and still are. There is no Muslim bashing here like this poster pretends there is. People who commit hate crimes are caught and punished as they should be, but to say there is an epidemic when the stats don't confirm that is totally disingenuous by the poster.

 

Your video is from 2012 and it happened in London, not the US. Is that the most recent one you could find?

 

Don't like the video one bit..However, not all muslims are terrorists, but 100% of radical muslims are terrorists. Who is who, is the question?

Lastly, from what you have shared, muslim woman gets hit from behind and knocked out, while everyone else either gets beheaded, drowned, blown up or shot by muslims...Although I don't like violence, I also do not believe the moral relativism is even remotely close!

 

The video in this Muslim propaganda thread is an attack by this guy, Michael Ayoade ...





On two women, the one from the video was 16, and not a Muslim, or dressed like a Muslim.

He attacked the 16 year old girl in the video because "he did not like the way she looked at him"

Neither of the attacks had anything to do with the women being Muslim

The OP is just trying to make it appear that way. I'm sure CAIR has instructed him to do this.

So, not a "Muslim hate crime" ... just an insane creep attacking random lone women for imagined slights

Here's the 16 year old girl from the video, who is obviously not wearing Muslim clothes, her face is simply blurred out. Muslim women don't usually wear 'skinny jeans'. ...




There is no mention in the news article of either woman being Muslim ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...conscious-punching-random-attacks-jailed.html

In fact, being from Nigeria, it's possible that the attacker is a Muslim.


So, the whole thing is a complete total lie.




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Fruit fly, attention span, has the, of a. Rearrange these words and phrases and see who springs to mind.

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Stupid post. Muslim women dress in all manner of ways depending on their nationality and adherence to their faith. You clearly have no idea whatsoever: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=I...UIBygB&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=vxbJ71keenpUnM:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=I...UIBygB&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=j4i_63A63FedDM:

 

I don't think WE are the ones being stupid.
1. This video occurred in 2012, not recently.
2. She was his fourth victim. Of the first 2 one was a woman. He spit on her shoe. She called him rude. He demanded an apology and then hit her. She was not Muslim. The second victim was a random MAN who was talking on his cell phone.
3. He was arrested and spent 90 days in jail.
4. He attacked a random female college student going to class when he got out of jail.
5. Then he attacked this girl with the head scarf because she looked at him "funny".
6. He was arrested and because he was a repeat offender, he got 4 years.
7. He picked random people and it certainly sounds as if he is mentally unstable. He probably heard about the knockout game crimes that Blacks were committing in the US and wanted to "have some fun too."
8. This video has been used as a propaganda tool by the Left to push their agenda. Only one out of 4 happened to be Muslim, so as you can see, it was random acts of violence, not "hurt every Muslim I see" which is the scenario being wrongly purported here. And to try to equate it with happening in the US when it happened in London is mindboggling. Shame on the Left.
9. I want this guy to start a thread condemning acts of violence against Jews because of their religion. THEY are the REAL victIms here. As I stated earlier, 57% of religious hate crimes are against Jews, while only 16% are against Muslims according to the FBI, and I think they would know.

 

Lets just lay this out intelligently so that we have some perspective here.

First you & Sundance seem "obsessed" with pushing this mantra about how Muhammad was a deviant & a pedophile, which is fine with me. I don't see the need for it or how it helps anybody in todays world, but it's fine with me because I have no vested interest in any of this.

Second, we all agree that adults having sex with minors is a disgusting thing, and I've covered this in great lengths in other threads, backed up with multiple links proving that hundreds if not thousands of grown men had sex with little boys & girls as young as 5 all throughout the age of the Roman Empire, and all throughout Europe.

It is well documented that noble men & kings had sex with underage boys, and kept them as "sex pets". So called "distinguished lady's of court" in Paris, England, and many other places throughout Europe also kept "sex pets". It was common practice for Roman senators to keep "sex pets" that ranged in ages from 5 to 15.

Greek & Italian soldiers not only slept & had sex with each other, but also rapped, pillaged & plundered everywhere they went, and they did unspeakable things...........to children as well. Another well known fact is that homosexuality was actually quite accepted until Christianity came into view, and then it was considered blasphemous.

All of this is extremely important to bring into this discussion because if we're going to slam people, and bring this up, then we need to slam EVERYBODY and stop focusing on just one person that we don't like, and lets be real men, man up, and be honest here, that's what this is really all about.

I don't defend Muhammad for whatever he may or may not have done 1400 years ago. I have no idea what the man did, because it was over 1400 years ago, and any educated person knows that there is no way of knowing for sure proof positive what happened & when.

Are you asserting that the record books are "that accurate" when it comes to this piece of world history? Would you be willing to make the same claims (with such certainty) about hundreds of other things that happened back then? Are you this certain about all the other world events, dates, times, and ages of people from that time period - or are you only this positive when it comes to Muhammad?

Your hammering on like a madman about how Aisha was only 9 when all of this took place, and you, nor anybody else pushing this has any proof or clue of what age she "really" was. She very well may have been 9 when Muhammad slept with her, but there is plenty of information out there that refutes that, and puts her closer to 19. (and no, not from only Muslim Scholars)

I can show you ten websites that says she was 9 and, I can show you ten websites that claims she was over 17, so where does that leave us?

It was a common practice (and still is) in the Muslim world for brides to be chosen & picked out at an early age (yes) but they are not released from their homes & family duties until they are of age to marry which is 18. (ask me how I know)

This isn't about your outrage over a 9 year old Muslim girl that died over a thousand years ago. You could give a chit about that girl......she was a Muslim, remember, and you & Sundance hate Muslims.

This isn't about anybody's outrage over a 9 year old Muslim girl that died over a thousand years ago. This is 100% about people that hate Muslims with a burning passion, and they grab at any straw possible to smear them, make them look, bad, or shame them for practicing the religion that they practice.

Look, I find many things about Islam "strange", and it's not a religion I could ever follow, but not because of any of the reasons you guys keep hammering on about. I couldn't follow it first because I just don't believe in God, and secondly my personality would not be able to conform to some of the requirements as spelled out by the religion.

I don't want to get into the tired conversation about which religion is better here because that's been done a million times, and those conversations never go anywhere. So I'll just leave it at this......Every religion (upon it's inception) contained many things in their bibles that we would all cringe at today.

All of them were extremely barbaric people that did barbaric things, Christians, Jews & Muslims, and quite honestly I have no respect for any of the founding fathers of any of those religions. They were all immoral people that did horrible things, none of them were perfect, and I have no use for religion what-so-ever.

You & Sundance, and many others in here want everybody to slam Muhammad & denounce him as this disgusting pervert, ok fine, that's your right to do that. But you don't have the right to tell me that anything I tell you is false or a lie, and I'm sorry but you did.

You did with this one statement right here: "BS! Your Muslim friends will not repeat not answer "yes" to this question"

Right there you're telling me that you don't believe me, which is the same thing as calling me a liar, so do me a favor, and stop. Don't tell me what they would & wouldn't say because you don't know. You're not the "Amazing Kreskin", your not a mind reader, so just stop.

You need to realize that while many people would not be bothered to find out that their prophet Muhammad really did have sex with an underage child (which would be wrong) many others would. You don't get to call BS on that because you'd have to be God in order to know what's in the hearts & minds of millions of people, and you don't, and you can't...............so stop.

You have to realize that over a billion people that follow Islam could give a rats @$$ what Muhammad did 1400 years ago. Their not Muslims or following Islam to concentrate on his sexual proclivities, they're in it for a spiritual bond with God, and nothing else.

The irony here is that there are many other tangible arguments you could make against Islam that I, and many others would agree with, but this Muhammad / Aisha argument is ridiculous. The subject of pedophiles & child abuse is a serious issue, yes, but if your going to be the advocate for all children then be fair, be just as indignant & upset about everybody else that lived 1400 years ago that had sex with kids.

Believe me there's no shortage to choose from, unfortunately......

 

Please just stop, stop trying to justify rape of children - you're not doing it directly of course, no, but you are doing it in a round about sneaky indirect way, and you don't even realize it: by trying to legitimize pedo-Mo (that's what your attempts at moral-equivalency are doing, because you are trying to defend your Muslim family and friends) you are indirectly legitimizing/down-playing his horrific, barbaric, morally atrocious actions (of having sex with kids.) In the name of the children, please stop!

 

Hey..............fellow Jersey-man...........please stop embarrassing me like this.

Read the original post this time, and you will come across these words:

That's right, although this video below is from London, "this", and similar things like it is happening so much in "our" country, that these women now have to take self defense classes where in the past I'm sure it was the furthest thing from their minds.

Next......this thread is not an anti-semitic, or anti-Jewish thread so why you even brought that into this is just beyond me.

Now, do me a favor, stop sniffing glue, and come back with something a bit more coherent.

Come on man.......Jersey people are supposed to be smarter than this, stop embarrassing me.

 

Excuse me, but we don't have to smear Muslims to make them look bad. they do that all on their own. There was just a thread on here about how American soldiers were reprimanded because they tried to intervene with Afghani men "taking advantage" of boys. It is what they do and is accepted. They are also allowed to commit bestiality. Neither one of these practices is accepted here and pedophiles go to jail for a long time. But they ACCEPT it.
Your video as "proof" that all people hate Muslims was a disingenuous propaganda tool. Start a thread about how Jews are treated. That might be more appropriate because they are discriminated against far more than Muslims. Are you Muslim by any chance?

 

Once again, stop embarrassing me like this.......

I explained in the original post that this was just one example, and I clearly explained that "similar" things are happening here in the states....

like this for example:

[video=youtu.be;BoT2kNWqRLM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= BoT2kNWqRLM[/video]

And please know that I could post dozens of other stories similar to this one and the story of the girl from London....

 

So, you're Moroccan?

 

I'm roughly 25% Moroccan.....................

This oughta be good...........shoot...

 

Well I'm glad that, you don't like what happened to her but please show me where I'm trying to make a moral eqivalency here.......?

I never did that and your not the first to bring that up or ask that question.

It seems like some people are writing in, and they're are all upset because they think (assume) I'm trying to say that what happened to these women is worse than beheadings or so & so..............I never said that, and it would be insane to say something like that.

As far as "all" terrorists today being radical Muslims.......

Ask all the European & Canadian mercenaries who are flooding into Iraq & Syria to enjoy killing for hire, and all the sex & drugs they can handle that same question.

I think you'll be surprised by the answer.

 

It explains your agenda. People are attacked every day for various reasons. It doesn't make any of them right. You have not proven by a long shot that what you purport happens on a daily basis. Even after the San Bernardino attacks, there were no attacks on Muslims. The woman who threw the beer mug should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, that in no way says there is an epidemic of Muslim hate crimes here. Now, if you want to be equal and fair, why don't you pull up some pictures of Jews who have been victims of hate crimes? After all, 57% are perpetrated against THEM and only 16% against Muslims. Look up the FBI stats. I will be awaiting that thread...

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. I dislike pedophilia. And I dislike bigotry - so will you join me in condemning Jesus/Mohammad/god for their blatant bigotry in hating non-believers so incredibly much that they are fine and dandy with texts that say that even good, moral, non-believers deserve eternal torture? If that's not bigotry, I don't know what is. See, Modern Secular Humanists, would indeed let Gandhi into "heaven" (if it was real), and would kill Jesus/Devil to let Gandhi and the other roughly 70 billion out of the barbaric and bigoted torture of "hell" (just for not thinking like Jesus does), because we are not bigoted like Jesus/Mohammad/god obviously are. Do you condemn them for their bigotry like I do, Sane Centrist? I assume that you are not bigoted yourself, but this is a good test to find out your level of bigotry (if any.)

 

Seriously, are you on The Islamic State's payroll?
Or paid by some other pro-Islam organization, such as a foundation of Prince Al-Waleed, etc.? Because I'm seeing a pattern with you (no, one single post alone does not raise suspicions, but post after post after post you seem to try to deflect criticism away from our enemy's ideology, so I have to ask), that no "centrist atheist" would exhibit. Like people have confided in me that Margot2 is maybe a secret Muslim, you yourself seem to be one as well, or again, at least on a pro-Islamic payroll of some sort.
But I've been dead wrong before (I thought Jesus was honest, but then realized that he said he'd return within the lifetime of his followers, so I left Christianity years ago), so please let us know.

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Hopefully we can follow the following rules, and not constantly resort to ad hominem attacks on me and my buddy Sundance:
Only reply if you can do it civilly......please, and thank you....
If you can’t disagree without being disagreeable, I’d rather you not reply at all

Ad hominem attacks are not terribly effective anyway, so you might consider going in a different direction.

 

Talking or explaining anything to this guy is time wasted that you'll never get back from your life Snakestretcher....

He hates these people with a burning passion, and he comes into every thread I create trolling me like a maniac with nothing positive or intelligent to say, while he obsessively accuses me of working for CAIR calling everything I do "Muslim Propaganda".

I've lost count how many times I've tried to be respectful or the ways in which I've tried to approach & reach out to this guy, and all of it falls on his deaf, ignorant ears, and I'm done with this idiot, seriously.

This person needs psychological help that I can't give him, and trying to explain anything to him is a waste of time.....