With it’s anniversary approaching, how do teachers teach January 6, 2021?

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Sure, but as of yet they've yet to find the big smoking gun. That is, any conclusive or even speculative evidence that the President wished for them to break any laws or had any designs for them to break any laws. We've went over at length the passages that eager judges(and that is still disgusting to me, eager judges. What is this, Venezuela?) as well as Ms. Cheney want to invoke. They'll find that a defense lawyer will have quite a compelling argument against those statues.

    Where I concede is an incitement to riot. But with no evidence of a greater plot, the two statues cited can be soundly defeated and rebutted with the evidence at hand.


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2101

    While Trump may not have intentionally desired a riot, he had to have known that the potential for rioting existed. And then the question becomes: Did he do all in his power to prevent that? Arguably, the answer is mixed. We know the Trump WH tried to advance security prior to the 6th and we know the FBI had this information. At the same time, Trump's ambigious and vague statements do not help in preventing a riotous scenario. We can say he certainly tried to avert the outcome, and we now know the Green Bay Plan would be ruined by the riot(as per Navarro's own statements, which will most certainly be added into evidence.)

    Because the Green Bay Plan did not endorse violent methods, we can rule out sedition which requires the intent to overthrow the government. So the question on conviction on a riot charge lies on the belief of whether he did enough. I don't think he did enough, but I also don't think he intended for a riot as that went against his grand master plan for getting office back.
     
  2. Egoboy

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    If his "grand master plan" isn't found to be illegal in some way, shape or form, then that's the perfect "legislative purpose" for the 1/6 committee..
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Well, yes and no. If the 1/6 committee ends up outlawing by means non-violent methods of contesting election results then that serves to restrict the voices of future candidates, and yes that would erode democracy. Now, putting a limit on when such non-violent means of deliberations and suits and cases can be enacted would be one thing. But an outlawing, would erode democracy as we know it. I do however expect them to follow in that motion, yes.

    They've already seized cell phone records of their colleagues, there's no low the committee will not stoop to.
     
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    LOL, there's much more this committee could be doing, that you would find "low" and I would find "proper investigating"... that's not going to change...

    And nobody is talking about "outlawing" what you said... a major rewrite of the 1887 ECA would just take the reckless and wrong interpretation the T****ists were hoping for out of the equation. I mean, WHY should the SITTING VP (a clearly biased position) have ANY role in election certifying??? Non sensical...

    But I hope the 1/6 committee is able to make the case to America and their colleagues for their true purpose.... disqualification....
     
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  5. AmericanNationalist

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    It's more likely Trump passes away of natural causes then being brought before a court. And if/when that happens("if", death is the only invariable in life) it will bring the billion dollar question: Will the left be able to move on at his corpse? Like, can that finally be enough?
     
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    Depends on if the GOP rebounds to their previous state.... a political party....
     
  7. AmericanNationalist

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    Want me to be honest? Both 'partisans' are nuts! Trump's one dude! How does one dude possess the minds of so many millions of people?(For and against). We lived a life where Trump had no political influence, and we're living that life again and our lives are no different or worse for it. I've lived 30 years on this earth(well, will be 30 in two months.) 26 of them, Trump wasn't a factor. I didn't even know the man existed in all honesty. To me, I can transition between periods. Because he is just one dude.

    Democrats love Trump more than Trump himself, by calling him a danger to democracy. He doesn't have the power people think he does(an example ironically is 1/6. 74 million people voted for him, right? The DOJ cites the 750 they've arrested and about some 220 more. Let's round out and say 1,000. Not even a tenth of his supporters carried on his crusade!(although obviously that is 1,000 too many.) The point, is that he doesn't have the sway people think he does.

    If the 2024 Republican candidate(upon defeat), immediately concedes then this whole ruckus will come to an end.
     
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    So why don't you give us all the liberal's "valid reasons" for arson, theft and destruction of private property and murder of innocent citizens and police?
     
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    I'm waiting to see how teachers are going to teach how Rittenhouse was a racist for shooting white guys.
     
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    1/6 - Never Forget!

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    Damn you Republicans! Damn you Trump! Democracy died on January 6 when people strolled through the Capitol building. It was a horror which will take decades for us to recover from.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    How about there was a political rally which then some marched to the Capital a few got violent with the police who were unprepared and understaff in spite of being forewarned. Some of the protesters rioted and breeched the Capital and entered causing an evacuation and damage to the Capital. Then with the entrances open more people entered and for about 2 hours disrupted the proceedings. But they were then led out and the proceedings began again and the election results were certified. In one of the largest investigation in the history of the country the FBI found no evidence of preplanning or an attempt to overthrow the government. Only one person died in the incidence when she was shot by a Capital Police officer. It was a dark day for the country.
     
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    That sounds like the Trump bum kisser version - the fall-back to discredited claims that it was blm, antifa, fbi agents, or tourists who attacked Congress.

    140 outnumbered police attempting to defend democracy were injured by the Trump goons who had been motivated by the Cry Baby Loser's Big Lie, and there is no need, for blatant hyper-partisan purposes, to depreciate, demean, or disparage those oficers' dedication to service. Officer Sicknick who was sprayed with chemicals and died had been a Trump supporter.

    Fortunately, over 700 of the Trump goons were identified, apprehended, prosecuted, and as they are being convicted or confessing, a congressional special committee is uncovering the responsibility for the assault upon democracy.

    Don't be surprised by upcoming trials that expose extremist, white supremacist organizations as an integral part of the Trumpy attempt to overthrow democracy.

    Meanwhile, of course, not a single suspect has been named in the fantastical vast conspiracy that allegedly stole a "Landslide!" No masterminds, coordinators, operatives anywhere in the nefarious caper that would require the complicity of Republican governors, secretaries of state, attorneys general, and other election officials. No tentative hypotheses as to how such a monumental scam functioned.

    For some, politics is the weird worship of one Cry Baby Loser.
     
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    Forget the meme that you have been issued to parrot.

    Demand that the Cry Baby Loser explain what he was doing (after he lied to his goons that he was going to the Capitol with them, but then had his flabby butt hauled back to the White House in a limousine) during the hours those around him were pleading with him that he call off his goons savaging police trying to defend democracy.
     
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    Sounds like the facts and not the Dem hyperbole kisser version. And I make no claims as you stated. Discuss what I do say OK.

    The rioters were on their own and yes they have been arrested and are being prosecuted.

    That's how it should be taught, not with all your nonsense and invective.
     
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  15. AmericanNationalist

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    If the episode is to be taught, it should be taught to parallel and constrast Shay's Rebellion(if they want to dig in the past, why not compare to an event that actually fits.)

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Shayss-Rebellion We have our modern policing force and our modern western civilization in response primarily to this rebellion. If the committee treated it like that, it'd be less politically noteworthy but they'd also at least be doing their jobs.
     
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    We already have the official documented record of the 2020 presidential election:

    The 50 states and the District of Columbia assigned 306 electoral votes to the President, and 232 to the Loser, via a winning margin of over seven million popular votes. Following multiple recounts, audits, and dozens of baseless court challenges, the election result was formally certified by the Congress of the United States with the Vice President presiding.
    Yet the Loser persists in spewing his lie.


    Despite that undeniable reality, the Loser persists in attacking the democratic process because he didn't like the result.

    The Loser's goons were, as they themselves affirmed, incited by their Loser's lie that he had actually won in a "Landslide!" and, immediately after he had repeated that lie to his mob, he told them, "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore... So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give!... So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

    After deploying his goons to the Capitol, the Loser retreated to the White House where he watched them fight the outnumbered police "like hell," ignoring, for hours, the desperate pleas of his aides, family, and advisers that he call off his goons.

    If he and his disciples maintain that his conduct during his goons' attack was otherwise, they all have the opportunity, the patriotic responsibility. to testify under oath, and clarify for the American People why their democratic will was violently defied by Trump goons.

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    Following the disgusting spectacle of Trump goons attacking police for hours, the Loser finally gave in to all the frantic entreaties and addressed them:

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    "We love you! You’re very special! Go home."
     
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    Shay's Rebellion was not an attempt to sabotage a certified, democratic election, nor were those who participated in it provoked by a self-serving lie or violently attack outnumbered public servants defending our seat of government and democracy itself.
     
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    Others were far better acquainted with the matter:

    Mitch McConnell (R) blames Trump for deadly Capitol riot
    "The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people."

    Kevin McCarthy (R) blames Trump for riot
    “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters.”

    Lindsey Graham (R) calls for prosecution of rioters
    "Those who made this attack on our government need to be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    Their actions are repugnant to democracy."

    Former Attorney General William Barr (R) said the violence at the Capitol building is
    “outrageous and despicable."

    Republicans Condemn Trump Supporters Storming U.S. Capitol.

     
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    I am fully aware of the hyperbole and hair on fire statements then and now. I think an accurate history should be taught. Define a lie.

    And we should NOT fallaciously teach children that there is a popular vote in this country, we already have enough people who believe such nonsense.
     
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    Official documented record of the 2020 presidential election:

    The 50 states and the District of Columbia assigned 306 electoral votes to the President, and 232 to the Loser. (The President received more that seven million more votes than the Loser.)

    Following multiple legal attempts to overcome the results - recounts, audits, and dozens of court challenges, as well as the illegal recourse of the Loser's goons attacking the Capitol to prevent Congress from fulfilling its constitutional responsibility - the election result was formally certified by the Congress of the United States with the Vice President presiding.

    A year later, the Loser still cannot present any credible evidence to support his lie that he won in a "Landslide!," or name even a single suspect in his fantasy of the election being "stolen" in some unexplained, vast conspiracy.​

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    "One must be able to lose with dignity.
    So true!"

    TRUMP, December 23, 2016


     
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    Just the facts.

    But in leftie land, facts are whatever opinion they find popular lol.
     
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    When you move from the topic because the topic makes you uncomfortable, it's called deflection.
     
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    FACTS ARE RACIST: Professor’s woke history book gets Rosa Parks, Kyle Rittenhouse facts wrong.

    From Professor Idiot:
    Another professor too interested in messaging to confirm facts.

    This same idiot clown professor on young Kyle: Cooney is a professor of Near and Middle Eastern languages and culture.
    Yes, this professor is a drooling mouth breather with a mouth full of lies and a heart full of hate:
    She's a liar and a slanderer. Rittenhouse killed two White men in self-defense.
    She's a liar, busted, now she's trying to avoid liability for being a liar.

    So, you see how they will "teach" both, they will propagandize with lies. Lies are the tongue of haters.
     
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    Lols it’s hilarious to watch the lefties try to make this into some huge insurrection that they had to save us and “democracy” from.

    The only insurrection and overthrow of the government in the entire annals of human history since guns were invented that they weren’t used. And by a group that the other side calls “gun nuts”. Snotloller

    By approximately 2,000 people in a country of 350 million might i add. They were going to take it over rawwrrrr .... with no guns. Bahahahah
     
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    No. We should first, and always, remember the plain and undisputed fact that a sitting president encouraged a mob to prevent Congress and the VP from certifying the EC votes, so he could stay in power despite having lost the election.
     

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