Woman dies after declining cancer treatments to save the life of her unborn child

I like how you talk out of both sides of your mouth here.

On the one hand you say "we dont know why.." then you turn around and say "refusing care.."....lol.

Which way you want?

She refused care b/c the treatment would kill her baby and she didn't want to kill her baby. By not killing her baby, she sacrificed herself to save her baby from death.

Pretty darn courageous if you ask me. Considering she had 2 former children die already.

 

They are two different things. She did refuse treatment that we know, why she refused treatment and chose to die we don't know. We can but imagine. As a mother it is not inspirational to think of my daughter choosing to die in this way even if it gives life to another - a child who might well have survived anyway.

It is never as simple as that. That appears to be you simplifying the position so that you can say it is inspirational - and that is what really concerns me. Now you might find it inspirational that she refused treatment so that her child would be born but I do not because her choice resulted in her being dead and a child not having a Mother. Almost all Mother's feel first for their children but at the same time among that feeling is usually first of al a desire to be there and give to her children. So it is a sad story not inspirational. Mother's will die for their children if need be. They will go hungry so that their children will eat but it is not inspirational - I am beginning to suspect you do not know so much about Mothers.

and if she had had treatment she may have been there for her child. Also what a load to put on the child. It is not inspirational. Almost all Mother's would encourage their daughters to have treatment. I am thinking of this situation as a mother of a pregnant daughter. My care is for my daughter.

Pretty darn foolish if you ask me. She had an opportunity to save her life. The baby might have survived. Again, I am speaking as a Mum who would not want to lose her daughter.

Women will do anything for their children. That is a reality. This situation is extremely sad, not inspirational to me. I would have accepted my daughter's choice if she had made it but I would not find it inspirational.

 

Is it courageous to leave your existing children without a mother, and your husband without a wife?

 

Okay, lets ask you a tough question. Put yourself in the same situation. How could you prefer the woman you love to die so that she could save a fetus, and leave her kids without a mother, and you all alone without the woman you love? Maybe you can grasp that but I can't. Its not because I see the woman as more important, I just see her family - her kids, siblings and husband etc, all wanting her to survive, but she chooses to die and leave them alone? How can you not say that is selfish?

Hat - what do you think of women who choose to become single parents? You don't agree with it, that I know. But this woman chose to make her partner a single father. Why is it okay to become a single parent in certain circumstances, but not in others?

By the way, if it were me, I'd weigh up the pros and cons. If I could have treatment, I would, but if I was far enough along to give birth, I would do that first. If I wasn't, I would abort, because I would want to live and have another baby. I wouldn't think I deserved to die just because nature decided to give me cancer. That's a terrible way to look at life.

 

I guess what you are saying is that YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE SAVED YOUR CHILD. YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE MADE THAT SACRIFICE.

And you think that is inspirational? That is also sad. But then your position is sad.

 

But you are not a believer so no matter what we would say or give as our reason…you would not get it. You just will never get …the sacrifice for another life angle. You would never save your child. What does that say?

And why on earth would you care anyway….your pro-abortion….its not a human, not a life….and certainly nothing worth saving. Remember your pro-abortion even in the ninth month. So for you …you would not be killing anything worth saving.

 

You have not answered my question. Whatever choice you make is selfish. To save your life and let your baby die is selfish, and to let yourself die and leave your family alone is also selfish. How is one choice less selfish than the other?

 

There are women who choose not to have cancer treatment until after the child is born and they survive and can be there to look after their children. It is a decision which she must make dependent on all the information and the encouragement of her family.

I said that as a Mother of a pregnant women, looking at the information in this situation, I would encourage my child to have life saving treatment. I would put her life above the life of an unborn child.

I believe it would have been more courageous to go on with the treatment. The article is not about abortion. It simply says treatment might have harmed the baby. I would put the living Mother's life first. I have a pregnant daughter at the moment and I made it quite clear it was from that position I was talking.

So to answer your question. If my pregnant daughter had an illness which I could possibly save her life by having an operation which might kill me, say giving her a kidney or something which put more risk on my life - would I do it? Of course.

You believe it is inspirational to encourage young women to die rather than receive life saving treatment. At the very best this is romantic. At the very worst it is showing a complete disregard and disrespect towards the lives of women.

You wish for other women to feel there is something good, 'inspirational' about dying rather than receiving life saving treatment. You show no respect for the life of this young women.

For some if the odds seem decent they will decide to postpone treatment. That is a decision a woman can only make with her doctor and family. If the odds are high that she will survive and the pregnancy is not going to seriously diminish her life chances, then postponing treatment may be the right answer. I have read of several women doing this, having healthy children and successful treatment. Their courage I can see as inspirational.

However in this instance where a woman of 28 chose deliberately to die rather than having life saving treatment I see it as a waste of a life and to choose to call it inspirational I find extremely worrying. To me it shows no respect for the life of the woman herself. If for religious reasons anyone was encouraging this woman to give up her life because of her unborn baby, then that illustrates to me a fanaticism, Misogyny and complete lack of the ability to love and care.

 

Not its not. You can't imagine anyone sacrificing themselves for someone else…in this case a mother for her child. That is because you don't value life. The mother laid down her life for her child. She took no chances. The narcissist would never do this…because they would see nothing that would trump their own life….even their childs. It is agape kind of love. Christ did it for us. You can't imagine or grasp that kind of love. And the child won't have his/her mother….but will know that she paid the ultimate price to allow them to live. You can't get this….and it is understandable based on your worldview thats what makes this story so hard for you to get.

 

alexa said,

This was not like that. The way I read the story she had to have treatment right away. You know what is ironic here…with you who champion abortion.

You believe abortion should be legal because the woman has the right to her body….so it is HER DECISION. But here you all are blasting her for HER CHOICE. It is obviously the reason why. Children.

You do not value life in the womb…and I highly doubt you value them once they are born quite frankly. I can't imagine any of you with kids. God knows you certainly would not sacrifice anything for them thats for sure. Your positions are sad…and it shows your heart. You just can't comprehend deep love like this…the love it took for that woman to put her child first.

God help you.

As her mother I would allow her and respect her wishes no matter how hard the decision would be. I probably would be a wreck…because this is a tough situation…and I certainly would not want to lose my child. Life is tough and we all have to make choices that can never be changed…that will have impacts on ourselves and our families. This woman chose life for her child. God will reward her. And if she is a believer…her life did not end. A Christians life starts at death.

No shocker here…of course you would think that would be courageous. You don't value the life she carries. I am sure you rule the roost…your daughter probably does not have a say. LMAO

I doubt that…because as you said it would be terribly selfish. And well…you put the woman in the stories above her child…why wouldn't you do the same with your own life? What about your family you would be leaving?





You believe it is inspirational to encourage young women to die rather than receive life saving treatment. At the very best this is romantic. At the very worst it is showing a complete disregard and disrespect towards the lives of women.

You wish for other women to feel there is something good, 'inspirational' about dying rather than receiving life saving treatment. You show no respect for the life of this young women.

For some if the odds seem decent they will decide to postpone treatment. That is a decision a woman can only make with her doctor and family. If the odds are high that she will survive and the pregnancy is not going to seriously diminish her life chances, then postponing treatment may be the right answer. I have read of several women doing this, having healthy children and successful treatment. Their courage I can see as inspirational.

However in this instance where a woman of 28 chose deliberately to die rather than having life saving treatment I see it as a waste of a life and to choose to call it inspirational I find extremely worrying. To me it shows no respect for the life of the woman herself. If for religious reasons anyone was encouraging this woman to give up her life because of her unborn baby, then that illustrates to me a fanaticism, Misogyny and complete lack of the ability to love and care.[/QUOTE]

 

CAdy you said this in another thread….

And yet here you blast this woman for choosing to protect what is hers…what she created. You stand on shaky ground. You hold up the woman who gets abortions because its her choice. Now you blast this woman for sacrificing her life freely for her child….

As I said….the pro-choice position is based on nothing solid…you guys are all over the place.

 

No, you have totally misrepresented what I've said. I said her decision might have been the best for her but not necessarily for all women.

If your position was solid, you wouldn't have to lie about what others have said. And if you would use the quote function, it would be easier to fact check your posts. Is that why you don't?

 

Well 1st of all, nobody wants anybody to die Makedde, so let's get that ridiculous emotional drivel out of the way. My wife and I discussed this already, and I know she would rather her baby live. It's never easy to sacrifice and to think of others. That is why we hold up people who do it to a higher respect.

Fact is, you don't know how to sacrifice Makedde. You probably never once in your life have had to which is why it's foreign to you and why you hold the positions you do.

The idea that dying so another might live being selfish is just completely asinine. It doesn't even make sense. It is 1 of, if not the most, pure act of love, we can think of.

Are you telling me, if you had a child, and that child was trapped in a burning house, you wouldn't sacrifice life and limb to save him? Even if it cost you your own life? Is that not a selfless act? Or do you consider that to, a selfish act b/c you could die and leave your husband a single parent? I mean afterall, you could just let your kid burn to death, afterall, you can just have another kid right?

Same goes to Alexa. You would rather see your daughter kill YOUR grandchild? Afterall, your grand child's life is expendable compared to your daughter's???

 

No I am on to you because you contradict everything….your position is all over the place. If I was lying about what you said…why would I post what you said?….LMAO

Your a trip.

 

What you say everyone can see…..right? Or can't they?

Your upset I gotcha on it.

 

I see how you "get" people--by completely distorting what they've said. Do you think everyone can't see when you do that?

 

I see how you "get" people--by completely distorting what they've said. Do you think everyone can't see when you do that?[/QUOTE]

Just keep it up Cady…keep posting. But you did not answer my question. ARe you trying to take the focus off of it?

LMAO

Answer it.

 

Look, now you've got your words attributed to me, and my words attributed to you. I really don't know how you can screw it up so badly. That shows who is trying to take the focus off something. Or else you are PUI.

 

Why the hell should a woman be expected to allow herself to die just because her fetus MIGHT survive? I'm sorry, but MY life is a (*)(*)(*)(*)load more important than some blob of cells clinging to my uterus, and I would choose my own life, because I have more potential, and if people don't like that, if that makes me selfish, then too bad.

 

Knock off the Nazi crap.

When they realized "Hey, we can't let people kill each other, so let's come up this law system that gives everyone rights." I think Hamarabi started that awhile ago.

 

So anything legal is a "Wussy position"? So I guess being a conservative must also be a wussy position.

 

maybe some day you will understand the motivation of parents. Our children are priorities including a child inside the womb. What a noble thing this woman did and it is self LESS, not selfish

 

Show me how, Dr. Death.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that one cannot realize a truth not previously extant.

Sure we can, according to you, as long as we make it legal.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you have no understanding of unalienable rights.

 

Ok now the real Makedde is starting to unravel….keep it comin honey. LMAO

Of course honey you are first….you have more potential…your not selfish at all. Narcissistic …maybe selfish no. LMAO

Blob of cells clinging to a uterus….yup honey….that is what unborns are to you. God help you if you have children…and if you ever decide to have them.

 

Well I can't show you in person, but I hope my words will hepl you. What you have to do, is stop pressing the N, A, Z, I letters on your keyboard in that order. I hope it helped, let know if you have anymore problems.

Yes you can.

Yeah pretty much.

I am very well aware of what unalienable rights are.