Woman Suing Honda: False Advertising on Electic Car

Your own quote states it saves gas. Just because you live in the foothills doesn't negate this fact.

Cruise control also helps cut down on speeding tickets.

 

My link says it saves gas IF you are too stupid to maintain your own speed.
My link says it COSTS gas on hills.

I am not too stupid to maintain my own speed.

It might save YOU gas. It does not, by virtue of being on, magically save gas. In fact, if you are driving somewhere that is not perfectly level it is guaranteed to COST you gas.

So... to recap... if you know how to drive, it does not save you gas, however it can cost you gas depending on the terrain... therefor it does NOT save gas. It CAN simply prevent YOU from wasting gas.

 

Could you please point out where it says "it saves gas IF you are too stupid to maintain your own speed"?

I'm pretty sure that's you saying everyone using cruise control is stupid.

I don't really give a (*)(*)(*)(*) if it saves gas or not, I like the convenience. And no, I don't use it on hilly terrain, in heavy traffic, or when I'm towing my enclosed work trailer.

Not sure why you feel the need to insult people just because they are not like you.

Whatever.....

 

Good for the lady. If she wins the auto monopolies just may change their false ads.

 

I am saying that those for whom it saves gas, are not attentive enough to be driving. Choosing to use it for convenience is another thing entirely. Justifying that convenience with the myth that it saves gas will not pass my BS filter. The use of the word stupid was not to actually suggest that they were stupid, but as a motivation to face the truth, or accept that they are stupid.

I am ok with that. Sorry if it offends your tender sensibilities. IF cruise control saves you gas, it is because you are stupid... or handicapped or something.

 

Do you get a lot of positive reaction with your "I'm smarter than everyone else" shtick? I'm guessing no.....

 

Reading is fundamental.

I don't think I am. I think MOST people can save more gas with their foot than their button. This all began with

If he saves 40% "more" gas using cruise control... then it is HE who doesn't know how to drive.

I guess he gets to be condescending, but that is off limits for me.

 

what proof does anyone have that the woman in the OP had a 'lead foot' or wasn't driving well? and wouldn't she be driving the same way she always had AFTER they 'fixed' her car?

who changes their driving style in a couple of days?

the OP plainly states that after the fix, she got even worse mileage.

 

"gay conservatives" is an oxymoron.

To the subject: This is about demonizing electric cars. It's about BigOil, competition and ruthless tactics. But it's too late. It's the 21st Century. They need to go through the pains of switching over their monopolies to other types of propulsion instead of bashing the Model T in favor of whips and buggies..

 

That's moot for a trucker or any large vehicle...most not having the power to hold speed on a long grade, they generally end up downshifting and climbing hills with the CC off and the fuel pedal pegged. (Actually, many will punch it before the start of a grade, which does two things: they accelerate a bit for a running start, and, with modern diesel engines being turbocharged, spools the turbo to build boost.)

 

That too. I have owned several cars that will easily creep up to 85-90MPH without my realizing it. Offhand...both my Caprice wagons, my Magnum, & my Coupe de Ville come to mind. All were smooth, quiet cars with strong engines (LT1 350's in the Caprices, Hemi in the Mag, 542ci Cad stroker in the CDV) and tall gears, and the speed would creep up in a hurry.

When an ABS sensor went out on the Mag, it killed the cruise. Driving to work, I was wondering why everyone was going so slow on the highway. Looking down, I saw that I was going a hair over 85. (The Hemi was just loafing along, only spinning about 2500RPM.) Oops. That would do it.

Anything I have driven that was drive-by-wire (like the Mag) I find I have a hard time holding a steady speed.

 

So they sneak into the factories and dealerships and sabotage them?

We will never supply our transportation system with energy derived from solar or geo. Look to biofuels such as the new breed of biodiesel's.

They seem to be smarter than you with their investing in future energy sources and spend billions doing so.

 

Completely off subject, and either an error or a lie.

No, Silly, it is about the FACT that most of the hybrids, despite people like you gushing and fawning over them with religious fervor, simply do not live up to the hype.

My wife reports 51.9MPG from the last tank in her Easter Egg. Who needs a Prius?

 

We are talking about a Honda hybrid.

We aren't talking about big rigs, or airplanes, or boats.

 

Actually, hybrids are a special case. The engines CAN run at constant RPM's climbing hills...most have CVT's, and many (Prius will, no idea on the Hondas) will use battery power rather than increase throttle on the highway.

 

THAT is a rational argument which I would have to concede to if accurate. Will look into it.

 

It appears to work backwards.

So it uses downward inertia to charge the batteries (creating resistance) and engine breaking if necessary, then charges up the hills tacking up. So more energy TO the battery, and FROM the gas.

Swing and a miss but a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed fine assertion which would have made me wrong.

 

The only Prius I drove didn't seem to change RPM's on mild to moderate hills. (I don't recall it having a tach.) I do recall the indicator showing engine versus battery use showing the electrical draw riding significantly on any grade, while the engine didn't seem to be working any harder...using CC or not didn't seem to make a difference one way or the other.

 

darn those liberal lawyers.

 

There are a lot of discussions on the prius forums (funny to see forums where everyone has the same but slightly different avatars... THEIR prius in THEIR driveways... sort of takes away the point of unique avatars) of people annoyed with the behavior, and how best to set their cc to avert the behavior... which pretty much consists of using the cc like a pedal. Increasing speed as you go down hill and lowering it as you go up.

 

She's going to need a lot of luck in winning the lawsuit.

There are various factors in how efficient a vehicle is, and one of them is driving style.

She would have to prove that she drove in the exact recommended manner while still failing to achieve the stated fuel mileage in order to even hope to win.

Another factor nearly impossible to prove would be that she bought the recommended fuel blends the entire time of her use of the vehicle.

One thing not discussed very often about the gasoline market nowadays is that ethanol is rising in percentage in most fuel blends. The legally allowed limit has been raised, and ethanol is used in higher amounts because of how it's cheaper than normal gasoline.

Ethanol also leads to increased engine breakdown because it causes more detonation (essentially higher heat) in the combustion process -- which has a noticeable effect on fuel efficiency in the long run.

So, if nothing else, fuel efficiency ratings have a rather wide margin for error because of all the factors involved.

 

False. 10% is very common & has been for many years. Other than E85 (clearly marked as such), there is no other blend with more ethanol. E15 is being studied but is not around yet.

Actually, ethanol helps STOP detonation. It has much better higher anti-knock qualities than anything short of race fuel or avgas. The octane rating of E85 is in the 105-110 range, pure ethanol is about 120. My blower Gremlin can run 2 degrees more timing on E10 than on straight gasoline of the same octane rating.

 

I guess I should have been more specific. The EPA limit hasn't changed, but many state regulations have allowed higher amounts than before. A lot of states don't allow as high as 10%. A lot of states have their own fuel blend preferences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85#Comparisons_to_regular_gasoline

 

^ Is all correct.


You have a blown Gremlin? (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)in.

 

Yep: a big Roots on a 401 from a Matador. Super T-10 4-speed, big-tube headers, 3" chambered sidepipes, AMC 20 rear axle with 3.73's...it's a 10-second car on Hoosier wrinkle-wall slicks. It's painted Big Bad Green, and the rollcage inside is painted to match.