Women in America

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by GeorgiaAmy, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. Pax Aeon

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    Thanks for your opinion.
     
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    Equal pay for equal work.
     
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    market disagrees and rightly so. You see, some people work more "equally" than others, and again this is not based on gender.
     
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    That would be your opinion.
     
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    I'll stick to mine and you'll stick to yours then
     
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    Then why do you keep throwing in the term when discussing abortion?

    Yes with one of those tablet typing autofill thingies but perfectly understandable and stop lying about my claims.



    You said the right wants to limit women's reproductive rights, show me the law the right wants to pass to prevent or limit a woman from reproducing.
     
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    There is no attempt to keep women from reproducing. The right does want to limit women's reproductive rights.
     
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    Define "equal work".
     
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    Then there is no attack on a woman's right to reproduce her "reproductive" right. Why can't you just call a spade a spade? It's the right to kill her baby.
     
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    I'll stick to my facts.
     
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    That's your opinion.
    How do like that?

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    Should football/soccer/basketball players from a team be paid the same?
     
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    I had guessed that you didn't know what "REPRODUCE" meant and I was right.

    There is no attempt to keep women from reproducing. The right does want to limit women's reproductive rights.


    However, you may have a point!

    IF the government CONTROLS women's reproduction by forcing them to REproduce they could also FORCE women TO NOT reproduce...completely controlling who can have a kid and who can't. It would be so much better is Big Government stayed out of the reproduction(or not) issue altogether.

    Canada has no abortion interference by Big Government ( and their abortion rates are lower than ours)
     
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    You know many Canadians think Americans are ignorant but I know Canadians use maple syrup as fuel instead of gasoline except up north where maples can't grow Canadians use whale blubber as fuel instead of gasoline. See, we're not all ignorant.
     
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    A study for the United States Department of Labor found that all but 5% of the 22% wage gap is the result of choice, and there's no evidence to suggest the 5% is the result of discrimination.

    In fact evidence suggests the 5% is the result of more choice that just couldn't be quantified bcs of the researchers model, multivariate regression analysis.

    When there is a high R value (coefficient of correlation) between dependant variables in multivariate regression analysis there is said to be colinearity.

    When there's colinearity in multivariate regression analysis you can't tell what variable is being influenced by what variable.

    For example, is the dependant variable being influenced by the independant variable or is that dependant variable being influenced by other dependant variables in the model.

    In the case of this study, researchers believe evidence suggests that the 5% is the result of women choosing more compensation in the form of benefits rather than wages but there is a high R-value between the dependant variable, benefits, and other dependant variables in the model like experience.

    So it's likely the 22% is entirely the result of choice, and choice is not discrimination.

    An Analysis of the Reasons for the Disparity
    in Wages Between Men and Women
    Final Report
    PREPARED FOR:
    U.S. Department of Labor
    Employment Standards Administration
    200 Constitution Avenue N.W.
    Washington, DC 20210
    PREPARED BY:
    CONSAD Research Corporation
    211 North Whitfield Street
    Pittsburgh, PA 15206
    Under Contract Number GS-23F-02598
    Task Order 2, Subtask 2B
    January 12, 2009


    One reason men tend to make more money than women is the CHOICE of what the genders choose to major in at university. Men are much more likely to study STEM and women choose oher majors, therefore men tend to earn more when they graduate bcs STEM careers pay more than other careers. But feminists blame men for the consequences of women's choices???

    That's not accountability.

    As an egalitarian, I believe women should be just as accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men are. As an egalitarian, I believe that's equality.
     
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    An Analysis of the Reasons for the Disparity
    in Wages Between Men and Women
    Final Report
    PREPARED FOR:
    U.S. Department of Labor
    Employment Standards Administration
    200 Constitution Avenue N.W.
    Washington, DC 20210
    PREPARED BY:
    CONSAD Research Corporation
    211 North Whitfield Street
    Pittsburgh, PA 15206
    Under Contract Number GS-23F-02598
    Task Order 2, Subtask 2B
    January 12, 2009

    """"""""""""Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers""""""""""""""
     
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    One of the primary differences between liberals and conservatives is conservatives believe in taking personal responsibility for the consequences of your actions and choices while liberals blame everyone but themselves for the consequences of their actions and choices...
     
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    So what's your point? All I see is words and no confirmation links. The research I found points to the opposite (with links) There is a gender pay gap and it is still an issue;

    The Simple Truth about the Gender Pay Gap (Fall 2015)

    On Equal Pay Day, key facts about the gender pay gap

    Pay Equity & Discrimination

    The Gender Pay Gap - Stanford University
     
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    http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf

    FOREWORD
    By the U.S. Department of Labor
    During the past three decades, women have made notable gains in the workplace and in pay equity, including increased labor force participation, substantial gains in educational attainment, employment growth in higher paying occupations, and significant gains in real earnings.
    In 1970, about 43 percent of women aged 16 and older were in the labor force; by 2007, over 59 percent were in labor force.
    In 1970, only 17.9 percent of women aged 25 and older had gone to college; by 2000, almost half had gone to college; and by 2006 one-third of the women in the labor force held a college degree.
    In 2007, women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations. They outnumbered men in such occupations as financial managers, human resource managers, education administrators, medical and health services managers, and accountants and auditors.
    In 1970, the median usual weekly earnings for women working full-time was only 62.1 percent of those for men; by 2007, the raw wage gap had shrunk from 37.9 percent to just 21.5 percent.
    However, despite these gains the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform policymakers and the public.
    The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are:
    There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. These variables include:
    A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to pay less than full-time work.
    A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of children in the home.
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    Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly, the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation.
    Research also suggests that differences not incorporated into the model due to data limitations may account for part of the remaining gap. Specifically, CONSAD’s model and much of the literature, including the Bureau of Labor Statistics Highlights of Women’s Earnings, focus on wages rather than total compensation. Research indicates that women may value non-wage benefits more than men do, and as a result prefer to take a greater portion of their compensation in the form of health insurance and other fringe benefits.
    In principle, more of the raw wage gap could be explained by including some additional variables within a single comprehensive analysis that considers all of the factors simultaneously; however, such an analysis is not feasible to conduct with available data bases. Factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry. Cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure.
    Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female work
     
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    Where do you get your information from? The opposite is the case more often than not (as others are pointing out).
     
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    He didn't say (I'm assuming he's a he) that women should be paid less. He merely said they don't absolutely have to be paid the same. Some professions see higher rates of pay for women then men doing the same job. Is that something the law should remedy?
     

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