We know that the Japanese and Germans were cooperating on nuclear weapons because of Magic decrypts. In particular we know a great deal about the last one--the German U-234. The U-234 hat cargo on it destined for Japan. On Hitler's orders they were suppose to deliver this special cargo to Japan, an ally during WWII. All was lost in Germany, last hope was Japan to deliver the deadly blow somehow to the US. Here is the story ... http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/ger/weap/wmd/nuc/gn-ajt.html -------- To think, that the two bombs dropped on Japan most likely had material from Germany in it. What a devilish turn of events! Somewhere, I read that Hitler forbade the bomb after he realized its horrible devastation.
Thanks for the fascinating link. I didn't realize that there were some German & Japanese submarines / U-boats designed for cargo carrying purposes & it is equally impressive that some of these U-boats made round trips to Japan and back. Imagine the logistics of refueling and maneuvering through Allied dominated waters. It is perfectly logical to believe that the Uranium confiscated from U-234 was used in America's Manhattan Project but then, as long as the victors continue to write the history, the Germans will be denied credit for their enormous role in the development of the A-bomb.
Thanks for your response, Mr. Grau. For me, too, this is new ground and I really would like to find out more about Germany's so called "Wunderwaffe" (wonder weapon). How far they got with it. One of the principle scientists at the time in Germany was Werner Heisenberg. One can read all about him in the Wikipedia. Of special interest to me is any mention of the Atom Bomb. Here is a short excerpt: He traveled to the United States in June and July 1939, visiting Samuel Abraham Goudsmit, at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. However, Heisenberg refused an invitation to emigrate to the United States. On 4 June 1942, Heisenberg was summoned to report to Albert Speer, Germany's Minister of Armaments, on the prospects for converting the Uranium Club's research toward developing nuclear weapons. During the meeting, Heisenberg told Speer that a bomb could not be built before 1945, and would require significant monetary and manpower resources. In December 1944, Heisenberg lectured in neutral Switzerland. The United States Office of Strategic Services sent former major league baseball catcher and OSS agent Moe Berg to attend the lecture carrying a pistol, with orders to shoot Heisenberg if his lecture indicated that Germany was close to completing an atomic bomb. Heisenberg did not give such an indication, so Berg decided not to shoot him. 1945 The objectives of the American Alsos Mission were to determine if the Germans had an atomic bomb program and to exploit German atomic related facilities, intellectual materials, materiel resources, and scientific personnel for the benefit of the US. Personnel on this operation generally swept into areas which had just come under control of the Allied military forces, but sometimes they operated in areas still under control by German forces. German scientific research facilities had mostly been moved in 1943 and 1944 from Berlin to Hechingen and its neighboring town of Haigerloch, on the edge of the Black Forest,... a fast-moving American task force allowed them to take into custody a large number of German scientists associated with nuclear research. 10 German scientists were held at Farm Hall in England. During their detention, their conversations were recorded. The Farm Hall transcripts reveal that Heisenberg, along with other physicists interned at Farm Hall including Otto Hahn and Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker, were glad the Allies had won World War II, but regretted failing to create an atomic bomb. The morality of creating a bomb for the Nazis was also discussed. Only a few of the scientists expressed genuine horror at the prospect of nuclear weapons, and Heisenberg himself was cautious in discussing the matter. In 1946 One of the German scientists recruited under the Soviet operation was the nuclear physicist Heinz Pose, who was made head of Laboratory V in Obninsk. When he returned to Germany on a recruiting trip for his laboratory, Pose wrote a letter to Werner Heisenberg inviting him to work in the USSR. The letter lauded the working conditions in the USSR and the available resources, as well as the favorable attitude of the Soviets towards German scientists. Heisenberg politely declined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg -------- The article is rather long, but quite interesting to read. I wonder, could the baseball catcher Moe Berg understand enough German to make out what Heisenberg was talking about? So, Germany did not have the bomb in 1945! Did leading German physicists choose not to "know" how to build an A-bomb?
1945 While Germany is lying in ruins, U-Boat 234 is leaving Kiel on a long and dangerous mission with over 500 kg. of uranium on board including a ton of blueprints on how to make a bomb. Destination: Japan! To help Japan to win the war!! Irony: Instead, the uranium ends up in American hands. They did use it in their bombs for Hiroshima and Nagasaki!!! Watch this chilling video with interviews of survivors... -------- Would the Japanese still have been able to make an atomic bomb? And would they have been able to deliver it to Washington or New York or Los Angeles? I doubt it. Germany now builds submarines in Kiel for Israel! http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germany-may-sell-2-more-dolphin-subs-to-israel-for-117b-01528/ And the Americans still occupy what's left of Germany. The Germans get to eat humble pie forever!
The Riken lab, which was doing nuclear research, was bombed in April 1945. It built a small cyclotron, which was the only one in existence in Japan. As a result, Imperial Japan's nuclear program could not go on any further, except in nuclear physicists' heads. The Nazi submarine U-234 surrendered to American forces in May 1945, a month after the Tokyo raids which completely eliminated the early phase of Japan's nuclear program. Nazi Germany lent a helping hand to Japan too little too late.
Where is your source? I am suspicious about the "Riken Institute", which sounds so Scandinavian. Sorry, got it! Riken is a large research institute in Japan. Founded in 1917, it now has about 3,000 scientist. In the mean time I have concluded that the grown men are still mere boys, loving to play cops and robbers with each other! Right now the American boys are the clever cops who hold a lot of underlings in their grip to serve them hand and foot... (NATO!)
The Uranium oxide was captured on May 19. The U235 physics package used in Little Boy was ready on June 15, less than 30 days later Thus, the German material was not used.
Jazz says they did in Post #4. I'm not saying that you're wrong but do you have any evidence to support your assertion?
My post lists the evidence - less than 30 days from capture to completion; during this time, the ore would have to be processed and the resulting uranium enriched to the necessary % of U235. But, further: Little boy used a 141lbs of uranium, enriched to an average of 80% U235, and so, roughly 113lbs of U235. U235 makes up 0.72% of natural uranium, so roughly 15,600lbs of raw uranium had to be processed to produce that 113lbs. And then: We had plenty of uranium on hand that could be processed and had been enriching that uranium since 1944 - why would we use the raw ore we captured? And, to continue.. If that 560kg of ore was half-laden with uranium, all of it extracted, and all of the U238 separated out, it would yield about 4lbs of U235
