Would You Date Caitlyn Jenner?

I think she's biologically a man. I call her "she" simply because I'm concerned for her well-being and I know she identifies as a woman. It doesn't bother me. You seem to want to call her "it". How about you make a compromise and combine "she" and "it" together. Then you can call her $hit.

 

Not surprising. Kind of hard to make a man look like a woman.

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So you finally answered my question. Kudos to you.

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lol, that's pretty funny.

 

Yeah I didn't feel like saying he/she about 50 times. You're right though, "it" is probably more accurate.

 

Honestly I haven't given it that much thought. it is, in my view, wholly inconsequential.

 

If that is what you wanted to know, you should have asked it in your OP.




lol, that's pretty funny.[/QUOTE]

 

I pride myself on being predictably communist.

 

I guess you do have a point.... It is better to keep the freaky stuff quiet until it gets leaked to the media and then all hell breaks loose.

Jenner is Jenner. Not my cup of tea, but who am I to judge anyone. I already made the statement that I would not date him and I consider myself a progressive. I have also not stated anything about her being an "icon".

Well, see, that is different because normally when you get into the "judgment" talk, it is only because the other party, being judged, has done plenty of that themselves. It gets difficult not to point out someone's insecurities or shortcomings when the other side is doing everything they can do the exact same thing.

 

I asked whether progressives would be attracted to Caitlyn Jenner in the OP and be willing to date her after her surgery. I asked you several times, directly, if you would be willing to date a transgender, and your reply was "none of your damn business". Then, after a bunch of your typical replies, you finally answered in the above post. Kudos to you.

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Maybe after you give it some thought, you'll have an opinion on the topic.

 

Nope I am not remotely interested in Caitlin Jenner . Icky Icky girly parts

 

Considering how many allegedly straight American men adore anal sex I'd say Jenner's a shoo in for the majority regardless of political stupidities.

 

Don't be intellectually dishonest. Your OP said "Let's assume you are 100% in agreement that Bruce Jenner does indeed become a woman after he gets his sex reassignment surgery."

Now you're trying to claim you wanted to know if folks thought she was "truly" a woman, which your OP presumed.

The old switcheroo. Not intellectually honest.

 

Probably not. As I said it's wholly inconsequential, thus not even worth the mental effort to form an opinion. YMMV.

 

I would not have dated Bruce Jenner, let alone Caitlyn Jenner.

 

It only seems that way because you're intentionally mischaracterizing my position. I switched absolutely nothing. Read the OP again, here it is:

My premise was very easy to see. If progressives truly believed their own rhetoric with respect to transgenders, and that it really is possible for a man to turn into a woman, then progressives should be willing to date those women afterwards. They should find them sexually attractive. That was my goal with this thread, to find out if that was really true or not. Based on your answer, which was produced only after wading through about a dozen of your typical replies, you agree with me that Caitlyn Jenner, and by extension, transgendered females in general, are not really women. Despite some of the claims being made that they are able to turn into women, people aren't really going to see them as women.

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Thanks for sharing your subjective opinion. I don't agree with it.

 

Exactly. Your OP assumed that Jenner was a woman. Your OP did not ask folks if they thought a person who had a sex change was "truly" a woman.

Addressed above. I smelled out your sophomoric "gotcha" trap and noted it in my first post.

 

More semantic games. Can you explain the difference between "woman" and "truly a woman" for us?

Which is why you refused to answer at first. You knew the progressive narrative on transgenders was bull(*)(*)(*)(*), and you didn't want to concede that I was right.

 

In the context of our discussion, "truly" meaning she was born a female, and has the genetic makeup of a female, versus someone who has had a sex change operation.

I answered it appropriately. As anyone can see looking at the record.

 

I never indicated that "truly" meant that he/she was born a woman, so again, you're debating your own fabricated strawmen.

You did not. You dodged my direct question several times.

They sure can.

 

Then why the hell did you ask me what the difference was?

You're the one who asked "Can you explain the difference between "woman" and "truly a woman" for us?"

 

All opinions are subjective.

Look I get that you don't like the gays and the trannies. That is certainly your right and you are entitled to your (subjective) opinion as well. I simply don't care to have an opinion because I really don't care if a man wants to dress like a woman or if a woman wants to marry a woman. It's none of my business as it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

I think there are far more actual issues to have opinions about like Obama stealing my 401K, the continual incremental erosion of our liberties by government paternalists who want to "help" us, the government-sponsored wholesale invasion of the Southwest by illegal criminal aliens, our dependence on foreign oil, and so forth. But as I siad, YMMV.

 

I asked because you seem to believe there's a difference between "woman" and "true woman".

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The same forces that caused you to accept the mockery of marriage and, now, what the definition of "woman" is, are responsible for everything else you listed. It's too bad you can't see that.

 

I do, as I stated.

You're OP did not ask whether people that Jenner was a women, true or otherwise, but to assume she was.

 

Right, because there are progressives who believe that it is possible for men to become women. The real test of that would be whether or not they could be sexually attractive to that "woman" and consider her a potential mate. It took many typical replies from you before you answered that fundamental question.

 

That's not a real test at all. If a person wants to do a sex change and become a women, whether someone would date her is not a test of anything.

 

By "mockery of marriage" you of course mean legal parity for all citizens in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. And I've been forced to accept nothing, nor have you. That said, these things are not rationally related to my list in any way, shape, or form. The removal of the stipulation to gender by the USSC in the marriage statutes, for example, has no true bearing on Obama stealing my 401K, or the incremental erosion of our liberties. In fact, your insistence that government protect you from the psychological discomfort of the gays and Caitlin Jenner are the same forces that force you to accept the continual incremental erosion of your liberties. It's too bad you can't see that.