Yes, Sanctions Against Iran Can Work!

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  1. atabitaraf

    atabitaraf New Member

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    First, disclosing the names of nuclear scientists was a wrong action and the order of assassination based on that list not any other (you say Mossad or something)
    Second, Dear Borat! Tehran's reactor for medical radiation needs 20% and this is why some western countries claimed, we could prepare it for you if you stop enriching and they delayed so we enriched personally. Because Tehran's reactor was near to be empty.
    Third, Well, when you say 'the assassinations of Iranian nuclear weapons scientist' you mean Mr. Alimaohammadi were teaching making nukes in our universities? Please stop joking and be rational. We can refer to a variety of majors and references and hand-notes of Iranian universities in detail if you are still in your imagination of making such things. Would you please mention only one course related to your claiming, teaching how to make nukes, in our universities? Please stop it!

    And no one tries to support cruelty. Do you mind if I ask you about Israel's nukes? You doubt it whether we think about them or study about them (which is totally fake) but you never want to discuss Israel's?
     
  2. Viv

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    To be fair, he isn't the only one with that concern. If there is any potential nuclear capacity at all, it will be viewed a risk.
     
  3. atabitaraf

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    Hello there!
    Personally I believe to be fair we should not concentrate on only 5+1 countries (although not all of them are in agreement or disagreement with us) but the other nationalities have the same right too.
    A unique power in policy leads to dictatorship. To get the truth we should refer to both sides and let them speak:
    http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/98480-wests-commotion-over-moscow-talks-an-amateurish-game-larijani-
    http://tehrantimes.com/politics/98558-putin-says-iran-has-absolute-right-to-nuclear-energy
    Scientific examinations in peaceful ways with any percentages is one of the simplest rights we have out of international agreements. Although Iran's government with its own free will accepted suspension several times, during President Khatami and President Ahmadinejad's periods. But people cannot wait forever and accept suspensions one after another and see that western countries never cooperate. (Dear Borat! Not delivering the enriched uranium is called 'not-cooperating)
    In one word, what the government has done so far is purely on its own free will and not its duty so the government wants to cooperate although it is not its task based on what NPT sentences say. The committee has to put one step forward too.
     
  4. Viv

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    We watched in disbelief at the result when Saddam did not take the Western military threat seriously. Then we watched while Libya made the same mistake.

    For its own protection, Iran needs to take it seriously and not underestimate the potential for Western action. Russia won't deter them from acting, regardless of Larijani's ill-advised comments.
     
  5. atabitaraf

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    Dear Viv, When should anyone stand? What is the value of being a human? Please do not compare some leaders in cooperation with their previous supporter with us.
    If they could that's for sure they wouldn't waste a minute for the sake of human rights or something. And they do not think about the people's blood as they have never thought for Palestinians' when Mubarak and the other evils cooperated with them.
    What should we talk about the defeat when we have the power now? Remember during our revolutionary war when we were at the minimum level of war equipments we won! And all the cruel powers got used to selling illegal chemical bombs to Saddam...
    Now world knows the result! As Dagan predicted the five minutes next to it,
    Not getting involved to war is for the sake of saving Israel.
     
  6. OJLeb

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    You cannot build a weapon without a nuclear program. Do you think the only way for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon is by building one?

    The CIA and Mossad, who use terrorist groups in Iran and Kurdistan for spying as well, do not have enough proof of any nuclear weapon program.

    It is pretty straight forward and clear what is being said. Very first paragraph.

    According to......
     
  7. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    But you can have a nuclear weapons program without building a bomb and that's exactly what's going on in Iran.

    That's what you and moon are saying, the CIA and Mossad are of the opinion that Iran has the program, they just have not started to manufacture bombs yet.
     
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    What is the purpose? If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon, do you think they would go through all this trouble - knowing as an NPT member, their nuclear program would be monitored - just to make one? There is a much easier way, and Iran has 3 different options for this way.

    Where do they say Iran has the program? Or let me guess, you are a Mossad/CIA insider?
     
  9. Borat

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    They will of course, just because they have not started does not mean they won't. That said nuclear weapons program is just as illegal as nukes.


    I am glad you are backing off your and moon's claim that they said such program did not exist. Cause it's a lie, neither the CIA nor Mossad has ever said anything remotely resembling that.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/252413-pinched-griping-iran.html

    The exchange of threats, lies and accusations over the past decade and PressTV's ridiculous propaganda campaign has the whole region on edge.
     
  11. OJLeb

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    If Iran really wanted nuclear weapons, they could more easily obtain them by buying them from Russia, China, or North Korea. Heck, for a special discount on oil maybe even the United States. lol

    You think Iran will develop weapons, ladies and gentlement it appears our dear friend Borat here is a fortune teller. Woah.


    Poop.

    You didn't answer the question. Usual rambling nonsense, but ignored the question of the portion of the post you selected to specifically reply to, only to distort my words and the words of moon, the CIA, and the Mossad.

    The question, for the second time:

    Where do they say Iran has the program?

    A very simple question which, especially for a man who knows of Irans nuclear weapons program - apparently more than the entire world's intellegance agencies.

    And, if you reply to one part of this post, I will simply post it again and again until you either reply to the entire thing or not reply at all :-D

    Have fun.
     
  12. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    LOL, don't be silly.

    That's their default position of course, when they say 'Iran is yet to decide to build a nuke' it clearly shows that Iran has the program (infrastructure + technology + materials) to build the nuke with. When moon and you claim that the CIA and Mossad said Iran did not have the program - you lie, they never said that.
     
  13. OJLeb

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    So that is silly to you, but again you spin the Mossad and CIA's words. Oh sorry, of course that is their default position... I should of realized I was speaking to an insider.

    :rolleyes:

    Care to provide a link where the CIA/Mossad even hint Iran has an actual weapons program?

    Because "clearly" you are very delusional and an ansolutely terrible hasbarist...

    It seems when they say "Iran has yet to decide to build a nuclear weapon" it means they have yet to decide to start a nuclear program. Otherwise, what is the purpose of a nuclear weapons program if not to build nuclear weapons? Especially with all this attention on the nuclear program.

    You have said how none of us can prove "Israel" has nuclear weapons. Same exact thing here, you have no proof of Irans nuclear weapon. You just want to see them get bombed, maybe because of your hatred for Iranian Jews... If war breaks out, they would likely leave and possibly to "Israel". Is that what you really want?

    If you have proof of Irans nuclear weapons program, present it.
     
  14. Borat

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    Well, I was just trying to be nice, in fact it's beyond silly, the idea that states will sell nukes is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

    I disproved your and moon's lie, CIA and Mossad never claimed Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. You deliberately misquoted and distorted the article you quoted.
     
  15. hedayat_yafte

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    HI
    Thanks for all of ur ans dear borat.
    but just calm down and say just your word not the word that they force u to say... I mean ur media and your government and so ....
    believe me In Iran with this people Sanctions Against Iran Can not Work! and u should know that at our country The people have chosen democracy. and our government's do what ever people wants to do... so they don't do anything that our people don't want.
    as an Iranian : I say we want our right to have nuclear science and peaceful nuclear energy. we don't want any nuke weapon because we think that this kind of weapons are useless and we have more powerful weapons than that .... and that is our mind... our way to think about the future ... our Faith ... our religion.
    u think that kind of weapons will use some day..... NO ... because everyone knows that day is the end of world that we know.
    do you know why they Scant Against us?
    because they loss the war against us ... when? ... a little of answers.
    1)after revolutions of Iran they attacked on us at Tabas for their diplomats!!!! that was so strange for a country that has big powerful military.
    2) at Iran_Iraq war: they helped Saddam to fight against Iran ... what reason that have for them ... not thing just shame and ...
    3) They attacked the Iranian passenger plane. and they killed all of people on that plane ... this is the reason of a big loos to kill civilians.
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    after all of these may I ask u some qus. ?
    why a country that didn't attack on any country during this 200 years shouldn't has nuke and a country like USA that kill more that 300000 people in just 1 sec. with those weapons should have? because of what logical reason you think USA should have those weapons?

    why do you scare of Iran? they attacked on your country someday? or you are scare because you've been horrified by some thing else?

    can you tell me why Israel should have nukes and nobody don't? If that is bad ... that's bad for all of us ... you know if Israel have such thing this means you take a gun to a crazy Dangerous man to take a better feel for him...... this is so stupid think.
    If you don't know Israel's regime kill many people in Palestine and Lebanon and at other place in this planet.
    and may be next time ..................
     
  16. OJLeb

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    Not a sufficient response to my post. Sooo....

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  17. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    Iran is sponsoring, financing, training and supporting Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist gangs that do attack other countries, especially Israel.


    How about this:
    Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map

    or this:

    Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Hassan Firouzabadi Reiterates Iran's Commitment to Full Annihilation of Israel

    These are Iranian websites, not 'zionist propaganda'. Now you tell me, shouldn't Israel and the civilized world supporting Israel's right to exist be worried?


    1. Iran signed the Non Proliferation Treaty (the NPT), Israel did not. Israel therefore can legally develop nukes, Iran's nuclear weapons activities are illegal.
    2. Israel does not threaten to erase the regime occupying Tehran from the pages of time. It's your president who is obsessed with Israel and calls it a cancer that needs to be removed.
     
  18. Munqi

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    ...Which means that the "innocent population" then direct their anger at their leaders.

    I would support a military strike myself, but i guess i'll have to settle with these sanctions.
     
  19. hedayat_yafte

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    HI My friend
    about your answer
    I think we have different think about TERRORIST. Iran supporting Hezbollah and Hamas And Islamic Jihad in Palestine and no more. and we're proud on that because the history show us the real TERRORIST. It's not to far from now. It was began from 1948.
    from that year A regime created to kill , no matter who , just kill . Children , women , old ,yang , man ... to what. to grab anther's land. you Called Israel.
    they killing many people during this 64 years. they kill , terror , rape , Genocide on this part of our planet. I think you may have problem in your eyes If you know that and say such things. I collect some of their Crime's photo that I can access.
    they (were , are ,will) kill people for no logical Reason. If we help Hezbollah, Hamas , Islamic Jihad to tack care of their own people for our religions Order ... you have to help them because of humanity ... but you don't ... because you don't know right and wrong side clearly ... cause of listening to your Zionism Media and can't see what you should see. I'm so so sorry for your kind because of your ignorance. you may their partner in killing people.

    We are agree with this that Israel must wiped off the map. and democracy show the way of the people who lived in that land. they have right to chose not to kill by Zionism.
    How does your conscience accept this? be on a side which killing people every day. God forgive you because your ignorance.
    I'm Uploading very very little of Their crime just see and say what is your feel to be on that side of blood river.
    4_8710071521_L600.jpg 79648_434.jpg z.jpg 31_8710071521_L600.jpg 32_8710071521_L600.jpg

    I'm so so sorry because of showing these photo to you people.
    but Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad want to protect their people from those terrorists.

    I'm sure you don't want to see more Borat.

    I'm thinking I'm just talking to a kid ... hey NPT is a Treaty that have benefit for both side(every Treaty should have).
    according to NPT the country which signed must have only peaceful nuclear program and other country national atomic agency should help, support that country and sending peaceful tech to that country..... Okey?!!!

    this is a funny Irrational Reason that you have... according your commands If a country don't signed NPT can develop nukes and create bomb ... so Hamas should has it!!!!!!!
    brother at this world if you want peace you should accept every king of humans have rights to live to better live not just you. this isn't humanized .it is selfish. and at this world a gun is very. do you think weapons can bring peace to human ... no!!!!

    your answer is on those photos.
    and
    Israel is smaller than they wants to even think about it my friend.

    Thanks man.
     
  20. Borat

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    Thanks buddy.
     
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    west is taking too long to attack iran , i am getting restless
     
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    Thanks to you for reading just a little of my post. If I had doubts that time , I'm sure that you are supporting the killers and murderess.

    for the other people I have an example:

    You live in a neighborhood with peace and friendly act with other neighbors. One day some big gangs come to your neighborhood. And they broke a one of your neighbor's door , Enter to that house and kill your neighbor's man child and woman. after that in front of your Eye's burning their body and said to you it's because of their fault.
    What do you think?
    Do you believe that those people deserving die like that?

    Tomorrow those gang attack to another of your neighbors and do the same to them.

    Do you think this time is your fault?

    another example:

    in the avenue you see some thieves attack to a woman and want to Heist and then rape then kill her.
    What do you do if you think 911 is not coming or it's may be late?

    Do you think that such people should not be attacked? to take care of those Oppressed!
     
  23. Borat

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    No I don't, you do, you just admitted to supporting the murderers of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and being proud of it. I don't support your fanatical, theocratic, murderous Iranian regime either, the regime that hangs gays, stone adulterers, execute petty criminals. I don support the brutal murderous regime of Assad, you and your government do.

    As far as Palestine is concerned, why don't you f*ck off and mind your own Persian business. And if you keep sticking your nose where it does not belong, be prepared to have it chopped off, if you want to wipe a UN member state off the map (as you said you did), don't come back here and whine when you get your collective Islamofascist a$s handed to you on a silver platter.
     
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    HI
    WOW WOW
    You are so angry, man. why? I know the answer: You have nothing to say about some logical questions. Zionism kill every day, children , women , men , old , young ... and you can't see. OOOO excuse me ... you can see but when you see such things , you think about how beautiful day is now or what a good weather.
    BE HUMAN AND freedman.

    [FONT=&amp]If you can't See And If you really want to see I'm showing to you some criminal of Zionism Documents.[/FONT]

    And about what you
    [FONT=&amp]are [/FONT][FONT=&amp] saying about Hamas , Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad . you should know that they act is just the react of Zionism's Terror , kill and other [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Inhumane act. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]Hey[/FONT]
    [FONT=&amp]Do you accept that Some one kill your family(like your mother, father , brother, child , wife) and you DO NOTHING?????[/FONT]

    We are Happy FOR help to [FONT=&amp]Oppressed people[/FONT]. And shame on Who supporting the Killer who kill every day and every time It could.

    about UN member
    An UN Member has to Accept the UN rules. and should not kill sinless Child with Phosphoric BOMB for example and so on.
    Israel can't wash their bloody hands by saying hey I'm a UN member, I'm clean ... or what bull(*)(*)(*)(*) it want to say.

    for example:
    A priest (of all the priest) kill a man. you may say it's an Accidental. but what do you say if He is killing men and women and children every day? you say such things with your logic :sad:[FONT=&amp]Hey He IS A PRIEST NO ONE Shouldn't PUNISH HIM[/FONT])

    But we say: [FONT=&amp]HEY HE IS A KILLER AND HE Doesn't deserve the priest clothing. Every one Should wipe off Him from the WORLD Because Of [/FONT]
    [FONT=&amp]1- [/FONT]
    [FONT=&amp]KILLING[/FONT]
    [FONT=&amp]2- [/FONT]
    Destroying the priest states[FONT=&amp].[/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]And about my country[/FONT]: OUR People Love our country. You said Regime I say government. A Government that chose by people not by your country; just our people. Our people are more happy than you ever think If Our government Help Oppressed people around the world. and this is what we want. If you will upset just Sit down And Cry for your mindless mind.

    About OUR Rules : Who said such things. Like hanging the gays or stone adulterers . IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING; JUST SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET LITTLE KID. And you should know rules are rules and every one should accept those. I'm so so sorry for you little KID because you can't different about what are you thinking and what is the true.

    I'm Saying again: [FONT=&amp]Zionism[/FONT] Is the [FONT=&amp]killer[/FONT] who kill the sinless people and you can't wash their bloody hands by your low level talks.
     
  25. Borat

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    There are billions of oppressed people in the world, is Syria (your ally), in North Korea (your ally), in China, Africa, Russia and elsewhere. You do sh*t for them, zero, nada nothing. In fact your help strengthen all these oppressive murderous governments. You help terrorist organizations that target Israeli women and children, that's the only thing your country does.

    Your rules are atrocious, barbaric, inhumane, savage.

    PS and you've been warned, whether you like Israel or not is entirely up to you. But if you keep meddling in Israel's and other sovereign nation's affairs, you are going to end up being turned into a glass parking lot sooner rather than later.
     

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