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yet another coal mine in WV closing

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by JakeStarkey, Oct 14, 2018.

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Prog buffoonery. Trump I could subsidize, attach mining incentives to an employee education / training bill. But (D) would cry until a $1bn proposal swelled to $10 bn and they gut it, and grift it. The Farm Bill (corp. welfare) is stalled ... again. Actual subsidizes to farmers a tiny % of earmarked spending ... the bulk funds SNAP. Still, a single dollar not part of wealth redistribution to (D) voters, is $1 too much spending.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Awww, check you out trying to use fancy terms. A logical non sequitur is when someone draws conclusions erroneously from statements. You literally said Trump shut down a coal mine. But it's still adorable when you try.
     
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    camp_steveo, Oct 14, 2018
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Although, many miners are aware of the dangers and choose to do it anyway.
     
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  5. ThorInc

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    Side stepping conflation rant is still a weak rant.
     
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    I understand the discomfort exposed by this post, really I do. There are solutions available.
     
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    They are in it for the freebies.
     
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    You are so right!!! The rightness have been doing this since WWII, and they are as gigglesome now as then.
     
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    Not as it was and not certainly as it will be.

    Curious: do you have a coal truck?
     
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    King Coal has bought them all.
     
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    JakeStarkey, Oct 14, 2018
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  14. Adfundum

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    In my area Duke is facing massive cleanup expenses for coal ash dumps that have been leaking into water supplies. The nuclear plants are looking at the same kind of terminal waste problem, and Duke is leaning more and more on gas and solar.

    My son works for a gas company in Nebraska, and they are investing heavily in wind farms. The overall supply of gas is finite, yet demand is rising.

    Wind and solar are great, and necessary, however, I don't think there is such a thing as solution to our energy needs. Everything has it's draw backs and creates pollution somewhere along the production chain. What is the green cost for manufacturing solar panels? Windmills have relatively short life spans. In the end, one energy source moves us away from it's set of problems and we move on to another set of problems.

    I can't help but wonder, when the landfills fill up with cell phone batteries, how will we get through the day?
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    Plenty of that around--plus, it comes from the mouth as well.
     
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    There is one reason why employment in the coal industry has been declining since 1985 and the reason is not Reagan, Bush I, Bill Clinton, Bush II, Obama, or Trump. The one overriding reason why coal employment has steadily declined since 1985 is...........drumroll ...... DEMAND. Demand ! Demand has declined.

    Edit add..For you Obama haters and Trump fans , guess what? Coal employment actually rose forva couple or so years during Obama. Obama does not get credit for the rise nor does he get the blame for the declining years.
    https://www.ft.com/content/82f9087c-9cdd-11e7-8cd4-932067fbf946
     
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    I personally don't think natural gas and oil are finite resources.
     
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    Black lung has been around since underground coal. Inning started.
     
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    No, but I live near a fossil plant with a scrubber stack, and it is perfectly clean. The only emissions are water vapor.

    This is about 45 minutes from my house.
     
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    Thank you, camp steve-o. What about pre-burning procedures in terms of ground and table water, as well as ground contamination?
     
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    you justify it any way that helps you sleep friend.

    Coal has been a dying industry for a very long time. It employs less than 75,000 people total. Maybe you can explain WHY its a top priority for this administration ?
     
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    Why would you think I need help sleeping?

    Because it is symbolic, and it won him WV. He also made promises for those votes, and is carrying through with them. There are generations of tradition. Proud people doing hard, dangerous work to keep the nation lit, and the Obama administration took an absolute dump on them, and Clinton was a vocal part of that. Coal is iconic in America, and Trump was smart enough to know it.
     
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  23. PrincipleInvestment

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    Bummer ... Beto's Texas bloodbath has a lot of spare ca$h on hand. Maybe bribery in swing states is something the DNC needs to put MORE effort into.
     
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    That's why Trump became president, because he wasn't rich enough. He needed to completely control all his investments, so instead of ridiculously wealthy, he could be uber wealthy. How old is he again? It only makes sense the best way to control your wealth is simply become president to control all the markets and industry...because that's what presidents do=) /derp
     
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    Are you absolutely sure ?

    If they're using selective catalytic reduction then it significantly reduces NOx emissions but does not eliminate them completely.
     
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