Yet Another MASS shooting,this one in ElPaso Texas.

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    I don't. Where did I even say such?
     
  2. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about the El Paso shooter but in reading what was the history of the Dayton shooter it seems evident that none of his classmates from high school are surprised that he was the shooter they all knew he was a psychopath.They are saying the high school and local police had plenty of warnings of his sadistic nature and that he should have never been allowed to own guns.Everybody chose to ignore the very obvious signals this guy was sending to everyone.
     
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    You now reduced to accusing me of 'whataboutism' instead of saying whether you apply to same standard to AOC as you do to Trump? Note also, that I didn't just say "what about", but I first admitted that Trump's rhetoric is bad. Now can you do with same with AOC? I'll be surprised if you respond! :roflol:
     
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    And what does this have to do with Gilroy?
     
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    Describes this atrocity ...Are you in denial?
     
  6. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it describes the atrocity, but what is the connection to Gilroy?
     
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    I'm sorry, what is "Gilroy?" I assumed that it was a place.
     
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    I see that you failed to respond!
     
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    His rhetoric is bad, but what about AOC's rhetoric? Do you draw a connection between her rhetoric and the ICE bombing?
     
  10. CourtJester

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    So far you still have not proven that the California laws have not stopped one single mass shooting. I realize you can’t actually support your claim and so can do nothing but try to divert from your failure.
     
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    Actually unless there are laws like red flag laws there is nothing the police or other authorities can be do.
     
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    So you point is bad behavior by a congressperson is equivalent to bad behavior by the President of the United States?
     
  13. chris155au

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    Not equivalent, I'll agree with you on that point. However, do you make a connection between AOC's rhetoric and the ICE bombing, between Bernie Sanders' rhetoric and the Congresional baseball shooting and Obama's rhetoric and the Dallas police shootings? The latter being particularly relevant given that Obama was also the President, so there can be no excuses here.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean you still are unaware of mass shootings in California? I suggest you do some research.
     
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    Your statement was that California gun laws did not prevent any mass shooting. The fact that there were some is irrelevent to the issue of if some were prevented. You still haven't proven that none were prevented. Or do you not understand the difference?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that there were some is evidence California's gun laws do not work. This isn't rocket science.
     
  17. CourtJester

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    To you obviously simple logic is rocket science. Your position that gun laws that don't prevent all mass shotings are not working is absurd. Guess by your logic nothing that isn't 100% effective is not working. Guess the entire legal and law enforcement system in the US isn't working since crimes still happen. Does that make the absurdity of your position and logic clear enough for you?
     
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    OK, then tell us the mass shootings that were stopped by the California laws. That would be your proof.
     
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    Not equivalent, I'll agree with you on that point. However, do you make a connection between AOC's rhetoric and the ICE bombing, between Bernie Sanders' rhetoric and the Congresional baseball shooting and Obama's rhetoric and the Dallas police shootings? The latter being particularly relevant given that Obama was also the President, so there can be no excuses here.
     
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    I'm right wing. The 2nd Amendment needs amended so various models of guns can be banned.
     
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    No I don't make the connection. The bomber spewed the same racist crap as Trump repeated spews.
     
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    No sorry you made the statement. Up to you to prove it. Not my job to disprove what you posted as fact! Why not just be honest and admit you made a claim that you can't support.
     
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    You mean like wanting to take away women's right to have a choice when it comes to what is inside their body? Or like wanting to make it illegal for gays to get married? Both sides have people who want to limit/take away certain rights/choices. Why do you think it's one sided????
     
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    No it doesn't. The fact that certain weapons are not legal for civilian ownership has already established the right under the second law to ban certain weapons from civilian possession.
     
  25. 61falcon

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    When the second amendment was enacted guns fired one shot and took a minute or more to reload.Those who wrote that amendment had no idea of the kinds of weapons that would evolve.
     

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