You need to listen to Fox News to actually get it!

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  1. AFM

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    Complete drivel. Wake up.
     
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    I don't know what "trap" you're referring to. But your words sound an awful lot like you borrowed it from Trump's Feb 17, 2020 tweet:

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    But aren't you a big proponent of capitalism? Don't you believe in free market competition? Don't you admire all the millionaires & billionaires who commonly profit from domestic immigrants & foreign labor? And I know you don't care about the effects big business/industry has had on the environment (eg, you keep repeating that global warming is "beneficial")?

    American capitalism doesn't care about workers or the environment...only about profits. So why all this whining about low-income Americans missing out on jobs & higher wages? What do you care? It's capitalism! It's "just business!" It's "rugged individualism!" Immigrants make corporations much richer than if they hired Americans, and I know you BELIEVE that corporations getting richer (also from Trump's tax cuts) means more jobs, right?

    Well...if you don't like immigrants, then take it up with the corporations. Or take it up with corporate whores like Mitch McConnell & Trump. See how far you get. (Ha!) Or, alternatively, tell low-income American workers to get a better education (if they can afford it) or learn a high-paying skill/trade (if they can afford it) so they don't have to worry about competing with immigrants. Yeah...free education for all is a "stupid idea"! Who needs it, right?

    Also, you support Trump, and it's well known that he hires immigrants (legal & illegal) at his properties. So if immigration was so bad for business, why does Trump continue to hire them? Why is it you never criticize Trump for doing that? (And by the way, why doesn't ICE raid Trump's properties?)

    With that said, you should be aware of an event that took place in Miami in 1980 called the "Mariel boatlift" which debunks the myth that immigrants cause low-income wages to fall or that they hurt Americans looking for work.

     
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    So what? Do you know how many debunked climate denial websites/articles/links there are that one could reference? How many come from political pundits too? How many come from politicians? How many come from non-climate scientists, or non-scientists? How scientific are they? We already know Marc relies on unreliable sources like Lomborg!
     
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    Hilarious.
     
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    If the Obama economy was so good why wasn’t Hillary (who promised 8 more years) elected only a landslide.
     
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    I also addressed their words. Did you not read my entire post?

    I already addressed this question in my post. Why do you repeat the same questions?

    Going green is good for everyone...worldwide! No one's advocating a return to Amish ways...but rather, doing what we already do in a GREENER and more SUSTAINABLE & RESPONSIBLE way. Why is that so hard to understand?!
     
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    The ruling class/international elites didn't want her. They wanted Trump...at least for now.

    And don't think I'm a fan of either Clinton or Obama...but anyone is preferable to the predator-in-Chief.
     
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    No, I’m not going to waste my time.

    Ask Spain how their economy tanked after committing to going green. Why is it that alarmists cannot understand the regressive effects of raising energy prices.
     
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    The American people wanted no part of Obamanomics.

    How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you claim the President is a predator ??? Who is he preying upon ???
     
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    Good points!

    I remember the Mariel Boatlift. I lived through it, along with both of the racial riots that occurred in Miami. That's a great study. I can personally vouch that there was no change in work or salaries because of it.
     
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    The working class/taxpayers, immigrants, employees, contractors, women (25 sexual assault accusations), and our natural resources.
     
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    How interesting! Thanks for sharing your experience from someone who was there!
     
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    Are you sure they're not going green BECAUSE energy prices are going through the roof & the economy was already bad? Your claim sounds dubious.

    It's the right thing to do...but the transition to going green is the issue. It can temporarily be disruptive...especially if the nation is a major manufacturer of gas-fueled cars. This is where social programs, green jobs, and free transportation become more important.
     
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    The biggest concern at the time was how many of those refugees were actual criminals because Castro did empty his prisons. Turned out it was less than 5,000. The rest for the most part were reunited with family members or relocated to other parts of the country, and that is how the famous Cuban sandwich made its trek across the USA.

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    Is that a panini?
     
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    Very cool.

    A Cuban Version of the "Ham and Cheese":

    The sandwich is made with ham, roasted pork, Swiss cheese, pickles, mustard, and sometimes salami on Cuban bread.

    Sounds Tasty.:salute:
     
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    Nope, that is an authentic Cuban Sandwich, but it is grilled like a panini.

    You start with Cuban Bread (very important) but you could use an Italian white bread. Add mustard, pickles, Swiss cheese, and mounds of shaved ham, then just grill and serve.
     
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    Are you kidding ??? Flooding Florida with illegal legal immigrants did not result in US citizens losing job opportunities ???
     
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    That’s ridiculous.
     
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    Do your homework.

    Regressive energy policies which deliver no change in the rate of global warming but reduce economic growth and decrease in the rate of increase in the standard of living is exactly the wrong thing to do.
     
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    That is correct.

    Are you familiar with South Florida? Because I can definitely answer any questions about that particular period. Born in Miami Beach, raised in west Miami.
     
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    You don't get it. Mitigating global warming is less important than mitigating pollution of our air, water, soil, and food. Man-made toxins will likely kill you before the effects of global warming does. However, the issue with global warming can be addressed at the same time, and it will take care of itself as soon as we decide to end pollution & destruction of our natural habitat & resources.

    And like I said before...population reduction is a MUST. Global population shot up from 1 billion in 1800 to almost 8 billion today. Earth's population is best maintained, and ensures abundance & plenty of nature to enjoy for all if we maintain it at around 1 billion.

    All you see is $$$$...but what you don't see is that our false dependency on $$$$ got us into this environmental & climate disaster. Once the industrial age was upon us, technology quickly advanced...but human avarice & the master-slave system of society remained unchanged. As in history, the most power-hungry people typically end up at the top strata of power. Today, such people would naturally exploit the new technologies as a means to expand their power & control.

    Such people therefore are better left on their own to live off the land where they can test their "individual ruggedness" of which they repeatedly tout as the reason for their "success". They are ill-suited to a society of people that depend on one another for their survival & well-being, development & creative feedback, and social support.

    Green energy is the way of the future...and has always remained the best means of technology throughout history because it is clean, cheap & sustainable. Because humanity has robbed itself of its power by handing it over to the few, it now has to clean up a great mess as it transitions over to green technologies. So naturally there will be some "growing pains"...but it's still necessary for human progress, and for our eventual transcendence of the monetary system & ruling classes.
     
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    That’s absurd. Illegal aliens have cost black Americans 1 million jobs.
     
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    Ah, there we go. The Malthusian appears. How will you eliminate all the unwanted third world country births ??

    Green energy is nothing more than a step by progressives to achieve the government control of a nation’s citizens similar to what is present in totalitarian communist China whose form of government was wished for by Obama.
     
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    What exactly is "absurd"?

    What in my post made you respond that way?

    This appears like a canned message a bot would spit out. Don't think it's the first time either.
     
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