you taking this (*)(*)(*)(*) too far

i had a friend who went to jail for domestic violence and it pisses me off. he was going through a divorce he an his wife got in an argument and he decided he was going to walk out the door and get away from her for a while. She stood in front of the door and said "your not going anywhere!" he took one hand and gently moved her out of the way. she called the police and filed a report that he beat her and apparently the fact that he gently moved her out of the way of the door qualifies as domestic assault.

i can't believe this BS your taking this crap too far.

 

He shouldn't have been jailed or even charged unless their was evidence he beat her. Did she punch herself in the eye, or something?

And how do you know your friend didn't hit her?

 

He should file charges for unlawful restraint if she was blocking his exit.

 

I agree. This a shining example of an out of control police state...............If a man calls for help, he gets arrested.... if a woman calls for help, the man gets arrested..if a neighbor complains, the man gets arrested. Most of the time, a "resisting" charge is filed as well.
This what you get from a Legalistic Society.

 

Its not always so nowdays where the woman's word is the only word. I know of one case where the girlfriend attacked the guy, and he got her in the face trying to get her off of him. She had a red mark, called the police and they didn't believe either one. Told the girl to leave since he was solely on the lease.

But its frightening...because you can really hurt a person through the domestic violence laws by manipulating. Then the real domestic violence cases fall through the cracks.

 

although I'm skeptical of the "gently moved her out of the way" part, as this is coming from a biased point of view, and we're getting it 3rd hand now.... (unless you saw him "gently move" her, your buddy could have pushed her down and said "gently moved") .... but the point remains valid. it's not always the guy's fault. She can jump on his back physically hitting her b/f-hubby and if he shakes her off his back, he gets arrested for domestic violence.

Just like in date rape cases, in domestic abuse cases, the guy must prove his innocence, not the other way around

 

My father saw it happen and I trust him 100%

 

What does your father think about domestic violence, though?

 

he thinks "what do you tell a woman who has 2 black eyes.... Nothing you haven't already told her twice already"

 

what do you mean? does he think it's a bad thing wen a woman gets beat by her mate and the guy deserves togo to jail? yeah

He thought this instance was bad though how she manipulated the system and thought it was ridiculous? which is what the thread is about.

 

she means whatever is convenient to her "the guy is always wrong" agenda

 

Question your father was with your friend and his ol lady while this happened. When your friend was arrested did he try to talk to the cops of let them walk off with him? "Gently Moved" Is also a keyword most cops will look into more especially since people use that term for "I gently moved his car with my car" o.0 "I gently blocked them from comeing in" (could be car accident could be why the other persons laid out on the floor.

Added:
I know this is an older post, I was reading it because a buddy has this misses that has told him "Hit me and ill send you to jail"

 

I'm not quite sure what a "misses" is but "Hit me and ill (I'll) send you to jail" is exacly what every woman should tell every man, just in case they forgot....

 

That is not true, in fact if a call is even made for domestic violence, someone has to go to jail that night even if both parties involved deny anything occurred.

 

I wish people would figure out if men and women are equal, or if women get special privileges!

I really do hate that so many women can say what ever they want without consequence.

If men and women are equal, then you should have to be weary of what you say to a man, just as other men do!

I hate people that think they can have their cake and eat it too!

 

If there was no evidence (on the woman) of any trauma, then he was likely jailed illegally. UNLESS, there were witnesses (kids maybe?) who said the guy touched first in which case, it would be assault. You can't even TOUCH another in a heated exchange...Be careful.

 

Feminists demand equality for women...except when it becomes inconvenient.

 

In my wife's case, it was, "Raise a hand to me again and I will bathe in your blood." Her father (who she had just pounded on with a pair of fighting sticks after he slapped her) never did it again. (Yes, she was absolutely dead serious.)

 

Ok. I have a question. (Maybe its a stupid question but its a question)

I understand women want the same rights same pay same everything and I fully understand its to be fair.

Now heres a little background so you see where I am comeing from. I am a product of a single home with a sister about 4 years older then me. Ive gotten into arguments with her that she threw a punch at me and instead of hitting her I put a hole in a wall. (Ive seen my mother beat by my dad at 3-4 years old) I found it easier not to hit her even after she threw my stuff out of the house to be mad at me or cuss me out. (My moms defense mechanism was hideing in her room)

Equal rights, Equal pay and everything. I grew up old western by my grandfather about always helping ladys (For those who dont understand, Misses, Ol Ladys, Ma'am's, Female gender)

Ive opened doors for women to be nice and been yelled out that they (And I quote)
"Dont need a man to open the door for me you insensitive pig"

to

Lady: Why are you holding the door?
Me: I thought you might want to go through and thought I would hold the door
Lady: Are you saying I cant open my own door?
Me: No ma'am I just rhought..
Lady: Insensitive jerk (Walked past the door and nudged me out of the way a bit)
She was with a dude who gave me a (Sorry dude look)

Heres my question on equal rights.

If I was opening the door and I let a guy walk through (I do this on occassions when I am not in a rush or after makeing sure my ol lady walks in)

I usually hear a "Thank you"

But If I was doing the same and a guy walked past and pushed me, I wouldn't be in the "nice" guy mood and tell them off. With a woman to show equal rights should I get mad at one the same as I would a guy? Since I dont am I sexist?

Seriously wondering how it works.

 

First of all equal rights has little to do with how we behave towards one another on an individual basis in public. What it has to do with is having equal rights under the law.

Now I have often held the door open for people, men, women children, whoever as a woman myself. I work in retail so it is only natural that I am always helping people regardless of their gender or age. If they treat me poorly I am curt with them and walk away.

I would recommend the same to be honest. If somebody treats you poorly regardless of their gender or age you should either ignore them or call them out on their BS. There is no reason to treat people who are mean to you any differently based on their gender or age in my opinion. Mean people only deserve a mean response in return (to an extent as physically hitting them would be assault obviously.)

 

equal rights means that womyn SHOULD be able to get her ass whipped just the same as a man for being a prick.


however, we all know "equal rights" is just code for "let us have our cake and eat it too" So in this case, since you still would look like a prick for slapping the taste out of her mouth because she's a female..... you smack the taste out of the guy that was with her.

 

Nobody should get their ass whipped at all as that is physical assault. If somebody is being a prick to you that doesn't give you the right to physically attack them, unless you really enjoy putting up with legal battles and paying boatloads of money to lawyers. It certainly gives you the right to be rude back to them though and like I said call them out on their BS and nasty behavior. But the best thing to do in that situation is to try and avoid it altogether and not instigate anything physical.

Do you really dislike the idea of women having equal legal rights to men? Because that is how you are coming off. I am just curious as to whether or not that is how you really feel though.

 

blah blah... yes, assualt.... but womyn carry this "treat me equal, but don't hit a woman" mentality (not equal)

agree with it or not, many a men have gotten their asses whipped for a loudmouthed woman who was only loudmouthed because she knew it's socially unacceptable for a guy to hit her.

i know that's how you want me to come off.

just like when I speak against gay marraige, gays say I am a homophobe
or when I question why blacks make up a disproportionate amount of the jail population, minorities say I'm racist
or when I question the definition of date-rape, women say I'm sexist

you are simply doing the same thing, an intellectually dishonest attempt to silence those who don't agree with you instead of debating your hypocracies on the issue.

I'm none of the above.... I want TRUE equality under the law, not special groups that get 'extra' protection under the law in the guise of equality.

you want equality, no more accepting minority scholarships because you couldn't score as high as a white counterpart who had the same public education as you did.

you want equality, women can date-rape men, too, or women should be held accountable for choosing to get so drunk you thought you slept with Prince Charming, but realized he wasn't when you sobered up the next day.

you want equality, get rid of hate crime laws that make murdering a gay more of a crime than murdering a white


I've said it time and time again, noone who claims "for equality" really wants equality, they want extra privledges because they feel it is owed to them.

 

Well if you could please post some articles and statistics on the numbers of men abused by women and vice versa, that would be great. I am well aware of men who have taken abuse from their female partners/spouses. A cousin of my mine was frequently abused by his partner for a long time. He finally did the smart thing and left the physically/verbally abusive relationship. That is the only thing any abused person can do in a relationship along with filing assault charges.

Not really, I would hope nobody would be against womens right to have equality under the law. That is why I am asking to clear up any confusion or miscommunication.

Are you really just questioning it or are you making stereotypical accusations along with it? Because if you really are just questioning it then that is certainly no reason to label you as any of those things. Perhaps you have said other things that may have come off as homophobic/racist/misogynistic?

How am I doing that if I may ask?

That makes sense. Most people want this and must fight for it.

Scholarships are usually privately funded. If a private corporation wants to put stipulations on a gift then they have the right to do so. If a public corporation puts out scholarships however then they cannot discriminate as the money comes from public funding.

Of course both men and women can be date raped. Usually date rape involves being drugged however. Obviously if two people got drunk, had sex and woke up the next morning regretting their behavior they have no right to accuse of date rape as both people consented to the act while under the influence. If Rohypnol, Flunitrazepam, or any other sedative or hypnotic drug was used however then I would say it is date rape. Now whether or not it is morally or ethically right to take advantage of a drunk person, man or woman, and have sex with them is a whole other discussion in it itself.

You seem extremely defensive Javis, which is understandable since you have obviously been labeled many things. I am sincerely just asking you these questions however. I haven't interacted with you much on these forums so I don't know you all too well or know much of what you have said.

I can only give you my thoughts and opinions on certain things as well, I have little to no control over the laws and the way they are written, I can only vote a certain way and hope that my candidate wins and then does what he promises he will do.

I definitely agree that saying that hate crimes are worse than any general crime (because all crimes are bad in my opinion) is not a good thing. Instead of pushing certain crimes off to the side and saying they are not as bad as other crimes is pointless and very unproductive in bringing down crime as a whole.

 

I'll point by point answer your question when I have better time to to do it.... can't really at the moment. But I will agree with one statement made really quick


you say date-raped is usually with drugs.... I agree 1000000% that is date rape....

but, if a girl gets drunk by her own hand, consents to sex, then regrets it the next day for whatever reason, that is not date-rape. Regrettable sex is your own fault, guy or girl. If you make bad decisions while drunk, don't get drunk.